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« Reply #825 on: March 22, 2024, 16:40:14 » |
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Yes, GWR▸ drivers used to get an enhancement of 0.25 for bank holidays but that was removed several years ago as part of a pay deal. So, Good Friday and Easter Monday are flat rate pay and Easter Sunday is just a ‘normal’ Sunday with a 0.25 enhancement.
Avanti are the same, but I guess some other TOC▸ ’s may still have some form of an enhancement, but even then I doubt it’s a particularly lucrative one.
I take it that they at least get a day off in lieu for working a Bank Holiday? A railway contract I was under a few years ago, and I know is still in use, I got 6 days holiday to compensate for bank holidays being rostered as normal work days the only ones treated as bank holidays are Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Years Day. Saturdays and Sundays also rostered the only enhanced overtime payments was for working a rest day 0.25. Railways staff are restricted in we must have 12 hours rest between shifts, and can only work 13 days out of 14 ie every 13 days we must have a day off. |
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« Reply #826 on: March 22, 2024, 17:10:48 » |
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I take it that they at least get a day off in lieu for working a Bank Holiday?
The GWR▸ drivers (and GWR HSS▸ grade ones as well) don’t get any days off in lieu. IIRC▸ bank holiday lieu days for drivers were removed going way back to the last century. Even Christmas Day/Boxing Day come out of a drivers annual leave unless they happen to be off that day anyway. Yes, it would all have been negotiated at the time as part of a pay rise, but does help demonstrate that a headline salary doesn’t always tell the full story as it doesn’t in many jobs in many industries. |
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« Reply #827 on: March 23, 2024, 07:34:48 » |
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I take it that they at least get a day off in lieu for working a Bank Holiday?
The GWR▸ drivers (and GWR HSS▸ grade ones as well) don’t get any days off in lieu. IIRC▸ bank holiday lieu days for drivers were removed going way back to the last century. Even Christmas Day/Boxing Day come out of a drivers annual leave unless they happen to be off that day anyway. Yes, it would all have been negotiated at the time as part of a pay rise, but does help demonstrate that a headline salary doesn’t always tell the full story as it doesn’t in many jobs in many industries. Got it - GWRs website states 32 days annual leave "inclusive of Bank Holidays", which suggests they've been "rolled in", whereas for mere mortals such as myself annual leave is expressed as something along the lines of 25 days + bank holidays. |
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« Reply #828 on: March 23, 2024, 08:21:19 » |
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Got it - GWRs▸ website states 32 days annual leave "inclusive of Bank Holidays", which suggests they've been "rolled in", whereas for mere mortals such as myself annual leave is expressed as something along the lines of 25 days + bank holidays.
I'm not sure that it's "mere mortals" or a sensible way of doing it for a business / operation that's running 363/364 days a year. It's exactly what we did when running our hotel (and that was 365/366 days a year) and with the team we had it worked for everyone. |
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« Reply #829 on: March 23, 2024, 09:05:56 » |
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Yes indeed, Graham, and I get TG’s point too. In terms of leave the railway is slowly moving in that direction, with a few sectors/businesses yet to consolidate it in that way.
Regardless, it doesn’t alter the original question, which is that that there is no enhanced pay for GWR▸ drivers (and many others) working over Easter weekend.
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« Reply #830 on: March 23, 2024, 09:18:13 » |
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Regardless, it doesn’t alter the original question, which is that that there is no enhanced pay for GWR▸ drivers (and many others) working over Easter weekend.
Now that I understand the way the drivers annual leave is configured, I sort of get why they wouldn't get enhancement for working on Bank Holidays - sounds as if it was negotiated away, perhaps in return for a higher basic salary? Certainly in my business we have numerous roles that cover 365 days but those working on Bank Holidays get x 1.5 or x 2 at Xmas, but our Annual Leave is quoted as days + bank holidays.................then again those roles don't get paid as much as train drivers!  |
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« Reply #831 on: March 23, 2024, 09:32:06 » |
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Which all begs the question: Why did ASLEF» choose the weekend after Easter?
Is ‘public support’ still much of a consideration for a dispute that has gone on for so long?
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« Reply #832 on: March 23, 2024, 09:44:51 » |
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Which all begs the question: Why did ASLEF» choose the weekend after Easter?
Is ‘public support’ still much of a consideration for a dispute that has gone on for so long?
I don't think the public are too bothered either way now - as you say it's been going on for so long it's become part of the landscape - an irritant/inconvenience yes but not the paralysis it may once have caused - too many alternatives available and it's only an odd day here and there. Doing it over the Easter holiday period/on a Saturday probably inconveniences more GWR▸ leisure travellers, who are a much more significant part of the railway's business now, and they may well seek alternatives and stick with them going forward, but it'll hardly be felt by business travellers, and the overtime ban will probably just mean that more people work from home for a few extra days. The Government certainly don't seem to be bothered but then again it's not an issue upon which too many votes depend. |
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« Reply #833 on: March 23, 2024, 11:25:26 » |
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Yes, I think we’re kind of in agreement…though we’ll have to get you a Broadgage style bingo card. It’s all about letting everyone know ASLEF» are still in dispute occasionally, but until the Tories are ousted there will be no real likelihood of a settlement, and fair play to ASLEF for not ruining the big Easter getaway for the all important leisure market. |
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« Reply #834 on: March 23, 2024, 11:51:02 » |
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Yes, I think we’re kind of in agreement…though we’ll have to get you a Broadgage style bingo card. Ah no......whilst I actually did have a glass of Port last weekend, I quite like the IETs▸ (when they turn up, and aren’t shortformed!) |
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