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« on: February 03, 2024, 05:00:52 » |
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2024, 07:49:43 » |
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Thanks for this. A small matter leapt out - Warminster previously had far more of a flow to Waterloo than it did in 21-22 and something killed it.
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grahame
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2024, 08:58:50 » |
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Thanks for this. A small matter leapt out - Warminster previously had far more of a flow to Waterloo than it did in 21-22 and something killed it.
Mark
At Westbury - Waterloo down from 2106 to 304 At Trowbridge - Waterloo down from 2348 to 322 At B-o-A - Waterloo down from 2082 to 248 At Bath Spa - Wateroo down from 8852 to 884 At Keynsham - Waterloo down from 274 to 14 At Bristol Temple Meads - Waterloo down from 5110 to 546 |
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2024, 12:57:18 » |
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Thanks for this. A small matter leapt out - Warminster previously had far more of a flow to Waterloo than it did in 21-22 and something killed it.
Mark
At Westbury - Waterloo down from 2106 to 304 At Trowbridge - Waterloo down from 2348 to 322 At B-o-A - Waterloo down from 2082 to 248 At Bath Spa - Wateroo down from 8852 to 884 At Keynsham - Waterloo down from 274 to 14 At Bristol Temple Meads - Waterloo down from 5110 to 546 None of the falls in passengers to W'loo appear to be accompanied by a rise in the number of passengers to Paddington. These have also fallen - so there does does not seem to have been much/any transfer of passengers from the (removed) W'loo services to the Paddington route. A loss of passengers, and revenue, to the TOCs▸ ..................more cars on the roads too ?? Many people still think there are no trains at all from Warminster to Waterloo after the Temple Meads services were cancelled. One has to say the TOCs just don't seem to care any more ! |
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2024, 16:19:00 » |
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Thanks for this. A small matter leapt out - Warminster previously had far more of a flow to Waterloo than it did in 21-22 and something killed it.
Mark
At Westbury - Waterloo down from 2106 to 304 At Trowbridge - Waterloo down from 2348 to 322 At B-o-A - Waterloo down from 2082 to 248 At Bath Spa - Wateroo down from 8852 to 884 At Keynsham - Waterloo down from 274 to 14 At Bristol Temple Meads - Waterloo down from 5110 to 546 None of the falls in passengers to W'loo appear to be accompanied by a rise in the number of passengers to Paddington. These have also fallen - so there does does not seem to have been much/any transfer of passengers from the (removed) W'loo services to the Paddington route. A loss of passengers, and revenue, to the TOCs▸ ..................more cars on the roads too ?? Many people still think there are no trains at all from Warminster to Waterloo after the Temple Meads services were cancelled. One has to say the TOCs just don't seem to care any more ! I think you'll find hybrid/home working has a lot to do with it. |
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2024, 16:55:24 » |
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I think you'll find hybrid/home working has a lot to do with it.
I'm confident that that would be only a very small part of the drop in those figures. Recalling the mix of people on the trains, that service was nothing to do with daily communting for work purposes and everything to do with people travelling for all the various other reasons that people use the train. It may be that the cessation of the through trains to Waterloo has resulted in a bit of modal shift to car / former travellers by rail being given a lift in a car - and also people simply no longer travelling by train to London. It's certainly notable if there's not been a comparable upturn in travel from some of those stations to London via Paddington. Mark |
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2024, 16:57:36 » |
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Interesting to see the position of Didcot in these tables. Presumably a large number of split tickets.
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grahame
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2024, 17:20:26 » |
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Interesting to see the position of Didcot in these tables. Presumably a large number of split tickets.
The data is a goldmine of information and a fertile seedbed for raising possibilities on which I have only just started scratching the surface. The overall ORR» figures per station feel high for Didcot compared to what you may see there, and indeed the specialist report comments on split tickets. As the data we now have on individual flows adds up to those ORR figures, the journeys much come from somewhere and big flows from Swindon and West thereof may indicate splitting - however, there also local flows into Didcot (up to Harwell). |
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2024, 17:20:56 » |
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I think you'll find hybrid/home working has a lot to do with it.
I'm confident that that would be only a very small part of the drop in those figures. Recalling the mix of people on the trains, that service was nothing to do with daily communting for work purposes and everything to do with people travelling for all the various other reasons that people use the train. It may be that the cessation of the through trains to Waterloo has resulted in a bit of modal shift to car / former travellers by rail being given a lift in a car - and also people simply no longer travelling by train to London. It's certainly notable if there's not been a comparable upturn in travel from some of those stations to London via Paddington. Yes, too far and slow for a sensible commute. Westbury, the closest of those listed, was two hours away from Waterloo by direct train. Not many people tackled a daily 4+ hour commute. Journeys over such distances might have actually become more desirable for a hybrid working pattern if anything - cheaper property prices and going to a London office two days a week with an overnight stop. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2024, 20:45:08 » |
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It's really stunning that SWR» chose to cut sensible services that performed outside peak hours, rather than, say, reducing Guildford via Cobham to a Parliamentary service, as its ridership fell and still only existed for two hours a day.
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grahame
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2024, 21:49:55 » |
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It's really stunning that SWR» chose to cut sensible services that performed outside peak hours, rather than, say, reducing Guildford via Cobham to a Parliamentary service, as its ridership fell and still only existed for two hours a day.
We have lots of background as to what happened - sadly much of it gathered far too late in the day to make any difference. Government secrecy that's revealed by a freedom of information after the horse has bolted is a wonderful thing. As I read it, the Bristol to Waterloo was basically a political decision to demonstrate the removal of services run by two operators on a line to save money. To stress the importance of commuter and school traffic (and there was little of either going across Salisbury) those services were protected for their short term riders, and services that thrived on "leisure" journeys such as people travelling to and from college and visiting relatives were canned. It will be interesting to see the figures when they come in next year for the various flows now that GWR▸ are running extra trains from Bristol all the way to Salibsury. I've not had aan answer as to why these new extra service can't be run though Salisbury as the Salisbury to Waterloo service. It looks like the canning of the through services was a pretty pointless exercise in terms of train efficiency and saving train mileage. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2024, 09:27:32 » |
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Journeys over such distances might have actually become more desirable for a hybrid working pattern if anything - cheaper property prices and going to a London office two days a week with an overnight stop.
Thanks for this. I hadn't thought of it like that but it chimes with a comment from someone in Warminster who had moved to the town on the basis that the rail service supported travel to London and then found the through service ceased within a few weeks of their arrival. Mark |
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grahame
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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2024, 20:15:11 » |
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2024, 20:34:00 » |
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If I understand it right this is a goldmine of information, yes?
Mark
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2024, 20:42:32 » |
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If I understand it right this is a goldmine of information, yes?
Mark
I believe so 5 million records of it ... and there are plenty more display options to add. |
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