pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by infoman at 20:37, 30th January 2023 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
https://news.stv.tv/scotland/peak-rail-fares-to-be-scrapped-for-six-months-as-part-of-pilot?mc_cid=9479624768&mc_eid=7fbb220518
Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by ChrisB at 20:44, 30th January 2023 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Can you imagine gow much more the Govt would need to do this in England, on top of the £2billion its costing already?
Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by Ralph Ayres at 23:04, 30th January 2023 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Interesting to see how it pans out. Great if it means travelling costs less, but will trains at popular times on some routes be severely overcrowded as there is no financial incentive for those who can be flexible to avoid travelling at such times?
I think it is unlikely to generate much entirely new travel, so for it to continue after the pilot, either the Scottish government will need to keep up the higher subsidy or the all day fare will have to move to somewhere between the old peak and off-peak fares. That won't please those who used to buy cheaper off-peak tickets!
Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by stuving at 23:41, 30th January 2023 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I'd been expecting something a bit different, but still perhaps as a trial. That would be to remove peak fares on Monday and Friday: in effect the weekend becomes four days. That ought to be cheaper than this Scottish plan, at least.
With either scheme, one of the effects will presumably be for the now less-used peak trains to fill up again, and off-peak ones get emptier. So instead of more uniform service levels across the day (i.e. dropping the peak-only extras), there would be scope for retaining the old peak service levels and thinning out the off-peak ones.
Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by Mark A at 10:48, 31st January 2023 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Can you imagine gow much more the Govt would need to do this in England, on top of the £2billion its costing already?
Sorry, lost the thread, what's costing £2 billion?
Mark
Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by ChrisB at 11:00, 31st January 2023 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The current cost to the tax payer for running the railway
Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by grahame at 11:26, 31st January 2023 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The interesting thing here is just how much more expensive anytime tickets are. The Glasgow to Edinburgh anytime fare of 27.60 is 1.94 times the off peak fare of 14.20 (and that's the future / trial fare). But take a look at the fares in our region and the ratio differs wildly. Here are some examples; I've done my best to use nearest equivalents, though on routes like Melksham - Salisbury - Southampton, it's an anytime period ticket versus an off peak day ticket.
27.60 14.20 1.94 Glasgow to Edinburgh (as per newspaper)
59.00 18.70 3.16 Melksham to Oxford (day return)
182.80 54.10 3.38 Melksham to Southampton (not via London)
39.30 26.50 1.48 Melksham to Southampton (day via Salisbury)
222.40 65.40 3.40 London (Paddington) to Bath Spa (any permitted)
49.90 39.80 1.25 Exeter St Davids to Bath Spa (period returns)
Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by ChrisB at 11:27, 31st January 2023 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Fares south of Manchester have been many times those of fares north thereof for many, many years
Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by grahame at 11:38, 31st January 2023 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Fares south of Manchester have been many times those of fares north thereof for many, many years
That too - though I was looking at the ratios. In absolute terms, for each Glasgow - Edinburgh return journey in the peak, there's going to be £13.40 less income. If it was done on Melksham - Oxford, which is (I think) the nearest comparable distance I came up with, the income loss would be £40.30 ... which starts to explain why the scheme is cheaper in Scotland and fares there are already unfairly (red rag to bull?) cheap.
Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by ellendune at 21:25, 31st January 2023 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Fares south of Manchester have been many times those of fares north thereof for many, many years
That too - though I was looking at the ratios. In absolute terms, for each Glasgow - Edinburgh return journey in the peak, there's going to be £13.40 less income. If it was done on Melksham - Oxford, which is (I think) the nearest comparable distance I came up with, the income loss would be £40.30 ... which starts to explain why the scheme is cheaper in Scotland and fares there are already unfairly (red rag to bull?) cheap.
I might disagree and suggest that our fares are unduly expensive!
Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by ChrisB at 13:46, 1st February 2023 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I would agree with the above
Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by grahame at 16:10, 20th August 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From the Scotsman
Experimental all-day lower fares a victim of financial crisis
It was a fantastic idea - but failed because the major change it sought to incentivise happened too slowly to escape the Scottish Government’s unprecedented spending squeeze.
Faced with a slower post-Covid return to commuting than the rest of Britain, along with hugely-ambitious emissions reduction targets, ministers hit upon an experimental suspension of the higher ScotRail fares during morning and afternoon peak hours.
It was aimed at encouraging people to switch from car to train, with the majority of ScotRail’s services now electrically hauled.
The six-month trial from October last year was extended twice, to a year, it give it more chance after a series of winter storms reduced travel. But nine months in, it has so far failed to persuade enough folk to make the change, and ended up primarily benefitting existing rail passengers.
It was a fantastic idea - but failed because the major change it sought to incentivise happened too slowly to escape the Scottish Government’s unprecedented spending squeeze.
Faced with a slower post-Covid return to commuting than the rest of Britain, along with hugely-ambitious emissions reduction targets, ministers hit upon an experimental suspension of the higher ScotRail fares during morning and afternoon peak hours.
It was aimed at encouraging people to switch from car to train, with the majority of ScotRail’s services now electrically hauled.
The six-month trial from October last year was extended twice, to a year, it give it more chance after a series of winter storms reduced travel. But nine months in, it has so far failed to persuade enough folk to make the change, and ended up primarily benefitting existing rail passengers.
Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by ChrisB at 20:46, 20th August 2024 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
And a price rise, so more than doubling in some cases....
From Sky News
A pilot scheme scrapping peak-time ScotRail fares will end next month following a "limited degree of success".
Transport Scotland said the trial - subsidised by the Scottish government - cost £40m but "did not achieve its aims" of encouraging more people to swap their cars for rail travel.
The scheme began in October last year and was extended past its initial six-month run. It will now come to an end on 27 September.
The trial saw the cost of a rush hour ticket between Edinburgh and Glasgow drop from £28.90 to £14.90. Post-pilot, the fare will increase to £31.40.
Those travelling between Inverness and Elgin also saw their fares drop from £22 to £14.40, while the ticket price between Glasgow and Stirling fell from £16.10 to £9.60.
Critics have branded the decision as a "hammer blow" to commuters and the climate.
Transport Secretary Fiona Hyslop said analysis showed the pilot primarily benefited existing train passengers and those with medium to higher incomes.
Transport Scotland said the trial - subsidised by the Scottish government - cost £40m but "did not achieve its aims" of encouraging more people to swap their cars for rail travel.
The scheme began in October last year and was extended past its initial six-month run. It will now come to an end on 27 September.
The trial saw the cost of a rush hour ticket between Edinburgh and Glasgow drop from £28.90 to £14.90. Post-pilot, the fare will increase to £31.40.
Those travelling between Inverness and Elgin also saw their fares drop from £22 to £14.40, while the ticket price between Glasgow and Stirling fell from £16.10 to £9.60.
Critics have branded the decision as a "hammer blow" to commuters and the climate.
Transport Secretary Fiona Hyslop said analysis showed the pilot primarily benefited existing train passengers and those with medium to higher incomes.
Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by grahame at 19:25, 11th August 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
From The Lochside Press
Peak fares are set to be scrapped ‘for good’ by ScotRail services in three weeks’ time.
The policy reversal announced by the Scottish Government in May this year will take effect on Monday September 1, with officials saying they aim to make train fares simpler, more flexible, and provide better value for money for rail users, as well as getting more people to leave the car at home and travel by rail instead.
Removing peak fares will mean significant savings for customers, with some journeys set to reduce by almost 50% as people pay the same fare no matter what time they travel, or the day of the week.
The price of a return ticket from Helensburgh Central to Glasgow, leaving before 9am, will fall from £14 to £8.90.
Peak fares were dropped in September 2023 but then reintroduced 12 months later, with Ministers saying it would have required a 10% increase in passenger numbers for the policy to be self-financing and they would only to reintroduce to if given more money by Westminster.
But today Cabinet Secretary for Transport Fiona Hyslop said: “Public ownership has created the opportunity to deliver a railway which is run for the benefit of the nation. ScotRail is one of the fastest growing operators, with one of the best passenger satisfaction rates and we are building even further on this success by removing peak fares for good.
“We want more people to choose to travel by public transport for work, study and leisure but we know that many are still struggling with cost-of-living pressures.
The policy reversal announced by the Scottish Government in May this year will take effect on Monday September 1, with officials saying they aim to make train fares simpler, more flexible, and provide better value for money for rail users, as well as getting more people to leave the car at home and travel by rail instead.
Removing peak fares will mean significant savings for customers, with some journeys set to reduce by almost 50% as people pay the same fare no matter what time they travel, or the day of the week.
The price of a return ticket from Helensburgh Central to Glasgow, leaving before 9am, will fall from £14 to £8.90.
Peak fares were dropped in September 2023 but then reintroduced 12 months later, with Ministers saying it would have required a 10% increase in passenger numbers for the policy to be self-financing and they would only to reintroduce to if given more money by Westminster.
But today Cabinet Secretary for Transport Fiona Hyslop said: “Public ownership has created the opportunity to deliver a railway which is run for the benefit of the nation. ScotRail is one of the fastest growing operators, with one of the best passenger satisfaction rates and we are building even further on this success by removing peak fares for good.
“We want more people to choose to travel by public transport for work, study and leisure but we know that many are still struggling with cost-of-living pressures.
Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Posted by infoman at 03:39, 12th August 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I presume this means for Scot rails trains only and where they are heading to and from,
but not the long distant(non Scot rail trains to London,for example?)