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Re: Delay Repay bouncing around
In "Smoke and Mirrors" [378850/32325/3]
Posted by GBM at 07:15, 29th August 2026
 
Roger French latest post aims at GWR and Cross Country delay repay (final two items)
https://busandtrainuser.com/2026/08/29/seen-around-47/

Cross Country
And finally for this month back to the frustrations of train companies’ unresponsiveness to Delay Repay claims and in particular the complete absence of any communication from Cross Country – a company that just seems to be going from worse to very worse at the moment.  .........continues............

And finally, GWR
Meanwhile GWR are up to their familiar unhelpful tricks again. Coming back from Bath last Saturday afternoon all trains through Chippenham were cancelled due to signalling problems .................continues............

Re: Spring 1965 - timetables Salisbury - Bath / Chippenham / Patney & Chirton
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [378848/32418/18]
Posted by grahame at 06:49, 29th August 2026
 
Against a background of growth, what's not been seen is a wholesale shredding of infrastructure (Those photos of Devizes, 1965 and several other examples, not least the Great Central main line) - and the later smattering of irksome reductions such as Westbury's missing platform, or the Bradford junction north curve - these were pre-privatisation changes at a time when managed decline was still an anticipation.

Not so the Maindee curve, by Newport. Along with the buoyant services it carried, it was a victim of the new structure of the privatised railway, its singling will no doubt be quoted as a reason the railway cannot possibly reinstate the much-used services onto the Marches line from the west country and from Wiltshire.

Yes and no.  Some thinning out was undoubtedly right, but it was done with a zeal and a vigour that was excessive and we now regret.  There isn't the need for large arrays of sidings, run round loops, even platforms mouldering in minimal or no use that you can still see in some foreign parts with modern trains wiping through efficiently, with perhaps more trains now even than there were at the peak of the railway age.   

I remember catching a train from Manchester (where I was staying) to Stockport (where I was working) - a 158 as I recall, and being bemused to hear announcements that it was running to London (Waterloo) and calling at places like Bradford-on-Avon along the way. I'm not sure if it would have used the Maindee curve and/or the Rhubarb loop, but there is a logic in such a service popping into Newport and into Temple Meads for passengers to and from those hamlets, and to provide a single interchange station.   I do note that the 1965 timetable included various footnotes "Stapleton Road" for Bristol, telling me that some of the trains still skipped Temple Meads.

Managing excess passenger flows using the timetable - in the west, with capacity on the network constrained by the shortfall in trains the railway's not at all averse to that and it's Weymouth that's the shining star in that dark firmament. The timetable's been habitually squatting on the potential for growth in passenger numbers to Weymouth - especially so since the loco-hauled stuff ended.

The underlying question must be 'How should the railway handle seasonal flows - and in a graceful manner?' The answer shouldn't be 'In July, deploy the winter minimum viable product' as business doesn't grow, and existing passengers suffer (hi, Cambrian Coast Line). Neither can it be a large strategic reserve of things on wheels that for most of the year do not turn them. Timetabling a summer-only higher capacity train but then very frequently turning it short of its branch line destination isn't exactly brilliant either (waves to Newquay).

I don't know the answer but in the West it would be good if the railway was in a position to step up and provide more for the journeys that, in a car, are awkward. Even on the major axes I'm rather missing the time when the GWR's marketing stated, albeit with a hyperbolic ambition 'With our new timetable we intend to empty the M4'.

You have a conundrum.  Looking back at history, the old way was for commuter trains busy with flows of the working class into the big cities to be used for weekend and holiday flows out when people weren't at work.   See pictures of the annual works outing / holiday from Swindon to Weymouth and it's formed of trains that carried people on other days the rest of the year into Bristol, Gloucester, Swindon, etc.   But with the specialisation of trains, you can't do that these days.   The last "hurrah"s were the HST that ran to Weymouth on summer Saturdays

I can only dream of 12 car trains from Didcot into London being shortened to 8 cars in August, and 2 carriage train into Weymouth being increased to 6 carriages.  Can't couple a 387 to a 165.

And the change of the metrics so that "peak" is no longer peak is huge.  Trains that may have been carrying fresh air and a sprinkling of influential people into London on a Saturday are now almost as crammed as the rest in the summer anyway.   Good news that flow loadings are spread, but it does take out redeployment band wriggle room.

And so I head for Weymouth today. .  Whereas our through train from Swindon on a Sunday a decade ago arrived in Weymouth with five or even six carriages, these days it's down to three and running on a Saturday.  We at MTUG are trying to judge our promotion right to avoid overfilling the train;  we could do a lot more but that would be making trouble.  We did that once - in 2011 to prove that people from our little village of Melksham could be reached and persuaded.   

A single Facebook post - without being paid for - made 48 hours ago has been viewed 14,000 times.  Someone commented "I didn't know Melksham had a station". Someone said "that's expensive" at the £23 fare (before groupsave / railcard). Someone else asked "can I use the car park at the station - do I have to pay for that?".  It's a guess as to how many people will travel - as it is from Swindon and Chippenham. In some ways, I'm happy that the weather forecast suggests it's a traditional bank holiday of the sort we used to have - wet and windy - as that will put off enough people to make it manageable.

Re: Railways but no trains - 1 of 3
In "The Lighter Side" [378847/32425/30]
Posted by grahame at 06:04, 29th August 2026
 
4 - Italy (from "Trenitalia" in mirror image reflection in the glass!)

I had to think but - yes - that IS part of Italy.

11 Hastings?

Sorry - no.  Interesting to note several guesses here which (correctly) are British, but haven't identified the city it's in.

Re: 2 car trains (again)
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [378846/32239/20]
Posted by trainbuff at 23:00, 28th August 2026
 
I have been reliably told that the 175 units are also underpowered. None have been recorded cresting Hemerdon bank at more than 40mph

Re: Bristol Temple Meads - station, facilities, incidents and events (merged posts)
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [378845/10737/21]
Posted by johnneyw at 22:42, 28th August 2026
 
It looks like the east entrance opening time and date will be 16.00 on 7th September according to the Network Rail announcement (link below).

https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/new-station-entrance-to-open-at-temple-meads-transforming-access-to-the-railway-and-creating-a-new-gateway-to-bristol

Re: Derailment, Wickford,14th August 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378844/32365/51]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 21:23, 28th August 2026
 
77mph (decreasing) for 1.5 miles in a carriage not running on rails must be pretty scary.

I have been a few hundred metres on an underground mining, unsprung, solid steel - unpadded, derailed man carriage with a 2 foot gauge and a 3 foot sleeper spacing. It was a very unpleasant and painful experience.

Re: Railways but no trains - 1 of 3
In "The Lighter Side" [378843/32425/30]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:17, 28th August 2026
 
11 Hastings?

Re: Railways but no trains - 1 of 3
In "The Lighter Side" [378842/32425/30]
Posted by eightonedee at 21:14, 28th August 2026
 
4 - Italy (from "Trenitalia" in mirror image reflection in the glass!)

Re: Passport required from next month for UK to Ireland travel.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378841/32422/51]
Posted by eightonedee at 20:51, 28th August 2026
 
Is it being "awkward" to not have need for a passport's primary purpose and also not want the cost of acquiring one?

Sorry Jaymac, but in the emerging brave new world it's also awkward to want to use your bank account or buy a train ticket unless you have also paid to acquire a smartphone or a PC/laptop and associated internet services even if you have no other use for them or have positively decided you don't want one....

Traintracker Live: live train movements across Europe
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [378840/32427/52]
Posted by Mark A at 20:48, 28th August 2026
Already liked by PrestburyRoad

Re: Neasden - huge waste facility fire shuts Tube and train lines - 28 August 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378839/32426/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:36, 28th August 2026
 
Or rechargeable batteries at least.....

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [378838/31359/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 19:59, 28th August 2026
 
20:12 Swindon to Westbury due 20:56

20:12 Swindon to Westbury due 20:56 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06
20:06 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 22:06 will be started from Swindon.
It will no longer call at Westbury, Trowbridge, Melksham and Chippenham.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

21:16 Westbury to Swindon due 21:58
21:16 Westbury to Swindon due 21:58 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12
22:31 Swindon to Westbury due 23:12 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [378837/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 19:58, 28th August 2026
 
20:12 Swindon to Westbury due 20:56

20:12 Swindon to Westbury due 20:56 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

Re: Railways but no trains - 1 of 3
In "The Lighter Side" [378836/32425/30]
Posted by grahame at 19:56, 28th August 2026
 
Here are the correct ones
0 Paddington - stuving
3 Arbroath - broooklea
5 York - Chris from Nailsea
6 Marlow - Mark A
14 Prague hlavní nádraží  - DR7835

But these are not
10 - not Swansea
11 - not Fishguard
13 - not Swindon

Re: Railways but no trains - 1 of 3
In "The Lighter Side" [378835/32425/30]
Posted by PrestburyRoad at 19:08, 28th August 2026
 
10. A guess - a memento of the copper works in Swansea

Re: Imber Bus Day - merged topics, ongoing events and discussion here
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378834/17260/5]
Posted by Clan Line at 19:04, 28th August 2026
 
"Warminster Journal"




Re: Railways but no trains - 1 of 3
In "The Lighter Side" [378833/32425/30]
Posted by JayMac at 19:02, 28th August 2026
 
13. Swindon?

Re: Gatwick Airport - facilities, improvements and incidents - merged posts, ongoing discussion
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378831/20849/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:11, 28th August 2026
 
From the BBC:

Gatwick Airport faced water outage after main burst

Gatwick Airport passengers were left without water after a main burst in a nearby field.

SES Water said that it located a burst main in Horley, with parts of the airport left without water as a result.

A spokesperson for the airport confirmed that the issue had affected water supply in both terminals and was under investigation by SES Water. The water company said it had begun to restore supply.

Flights remained unaffected by the disruption, the airport added.

(BBC article continues)



Re: Railways but no trains - 1 of 3
In "The Lighter Side" [378830/32425/30]
Posted by stuving at 18:10, 28th August 2026
 
0 is at Paddington - specifically on the linking walkway in front of the Paddington Square building. Quite what it links, or will, I'm not sure; it mainly seems to block off Tanner Lane (what was London Street) where the change in ground level is now incompatible with it continuing.

Re: Neasden - huge waste facility fire shuts Tube and train lines - 28 August 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378829/32426/51]
Posted by Mark A at 18:10, 28th August 2026
 
Only a week or so since the one at Bermondsey burned - and for the second time. If this relates to disposable vapes, they're... imposing costs on us all.

Mark

Re: Railways but no trains - 1 of 3
In "The Lighter Side" [378828/32425/30]
Posted by TonyN at 18:01, 28th August 2026
 
11. Fishguard harbour

Re: Derailment, Wickford,14th August 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378827/32365/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:00, 28th August 2026
 
... particularly if the on-board toilet facility is not available...


Re: Railways but no trains - 1 of 3
In "The Lighter Side" [378826/32425/30]
Posted by DR7835 at 17:37, 28th August 2026
 
14: Czech Republic; The eye-catching "classic" entrance hall to Praha hlavní nádraží /Prague Main Station. (Admittedly the background does give a bit of a clue!).

Neasden - huge waste facility fire shuts Tube and train lines - 28 August 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378825/32426/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:33, 28th August 2026
 
From the BBC:

Huge waste facility fire shuts Tube and train lines

A large fire has broken out at a waste facility close to Wembley Stadium in north-west London, shutting Tube and train lines in the area.

The London Fire Brigade (LFB) said 125 firefighters were tackling the blaze at an industrial estate on Hannah Close in Neasden, with the smoke plumes visible from miles away in central London.

The LFB was alerted just after 11:30 BST and has deployed 20 fire engines to the scene. Residents have been warned to keep their windows and doors shut because of the huge amount of smoke.

Transport for London (TfL) said the entire Metropolitan line has been suspended as a result, while the Jubilee line has been part shut between Willesden Green and Wembley Park.

Rail services to and from London Marylebone are also being delayed or cancelled due to train lines to Aylesbury being blocked, National Rail said.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Railways but no trains - 1 of 3
In "The Lighter Side" [378824/32425/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:11, 28th August 2026
 
5.  York Station (UK), but without the tale of the fox - see also https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=29110.0 


Re: Passport required from next month for UK to Ireland travel.
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378822/32422/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:07, 28th August 2026
 
Further information - Stena also applying the new "rule" too.

From TimeOut

Taking a boat from the UK to Ireland this autumn? Double-check that your passport is in date because it’ll soon be the only ID that’ll allow you to make the journey.

At the moment, multiple forms of photo ID (like bus passes, work ID cards and international student cards) are accepted on the ferry journey between Britain and Ireland. But from late September onwards, passengers will need a valid passport, regardless of age or nationality.

Stena Line and Irish Ferries confirmed that passengers on the Holyhead to Dublin and Fishguard to Rosslare services must soon show a passport on departure – no other form of ID will be allowed. The change comes from UK Border Force rules concerning the ‘accuracy and integrity of passenger data before boarding’ and will take effect from Monday September 28.

However, if you’re using Stena Line for services via Belfast, Liverpool, Cairnryan or Heysham, then any form of photo ID is still fine. There are also still no passport checks between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Despite the new rule, the UK, Ireland, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands are all still part of the Common Travel Area, which means that citizens aren’t legally required to show a passport to travel freely between each place. However, Aer Lingus (as of February this year) and Ryanair both demand that passengers going between Ireland and Great Britain must present a passport at departure, not any other photo identification. The lesson? It’s just best to pack your passport for any journey over to the Emerald Isle. 

Yet from https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/common-travel-area/common-travel-area-accessible?

British and Irish citizens travelling to GB via Ireland are not required to present a passport as evidence of identity and nationality. British and Irish citizens may present any other document(s) that satisfactorily establishes their nationality and identity



"The lesson? It’s just best to pack your passport for any journey over to the Emerald Isle"

Amen.

Re: 2 car trains (again)
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [378821/32239/20]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:05, 28th August 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
I haven’t heard anything about 158s personally.

Here’s more on the Class 175 plan - which explains why less have been in service lately:

“A recovery plan is being put in place which will centre around a dedicated technical investigation team, with specialists from GWR and our industry partners Alstom and Angel.

New processes will also be introduced with enhanced pre-service checks and ensuring the trains complete a significant amount of miles without a fault occurring before they are able to go into passenger service.”


But the facts are that the 175s were fairly fragile with TfW and are from the same family as the 180s which were fairly fragile when with FGW.  Having been in storage for a year or two won’t have helped.

So I think just about reliable enough is the best we can wish for!



Don't worry, it'll all be fine once it's renationalised under GBR 

Re: Railways but no trains - 1 of 3
In "The Lighter Side" [378820/32425/30]
Posted by Mark A at 15:58, 28th August 2026
 
6, Marlow?

 
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