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Congestion on the Melksham single line overnight - 04 Sep 26
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [379132/32455/18]
Posted by bobm at 09:31, 4th September 2026
Already liked by grahame, Mark A
 
An unusual set of circumstances led to some extended delays around the single line overnight.

Both sleeper services were routed via Melksham and both were running late.   The Up sleeper lost half an hour coming through Cornwall while the Down service was delayed by 50 minutes due to an incident east of Swindon.   The pair usually cross in Somerset.   This morning it was between Trowbridge and Westbury.



However behind the westbound sleeper was a queue of trains at Chippenham waiting for the single line to clear.   A couple of them had been allowed to run early at previous points in their journey.  The closure of the line through Chipping Sodbury for overnight engineering work also added to the pressure.  The second in the queue was just waiting for the one in front to take the single line before it could continue towards Bath Spa.



The up sleeper was delayed on the approach to Bradford Junction for 45 minutes while a pair of trains used the single line.  The message on Journeycheck suggested it had been delayed by a late running train in front.   I suppose it was - by the down sleeper!



In all it took nearly three hours for the congestion to clear as other trains joined the queues at both ends.   The worse delay I have seen was a freight train which approached Chippenham 12 minutes early but was 83 minutes late by the time it got to Trowbridge.

In the middle of the night perhaps it doesn't matter so much - but it shows what a knife-edge capacity along the single line is on at times.



Re: Imber Bus Day - merged topics, ongoing events and discussion here
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [379131/17260/5]
Posted by Marlburian at 09:19, 4th September 2026
 
I can't see Imber being returned to civilian habitation as it remains a useful training facility, although, ironically, the army had to construct the nearby "village" on Copehill Down (complete with railway siding and vehicles) to better replicate the sort of buildings, including cellars, that the British Army might have to fight in in Europe).

(And something would need to be done about the poor mobile-phone reception!)

In recent years I've become conscious of the increased use of the central ranges north of Larkhill.  (Imber is in the western ranges.)  Time was when one could go there on a Sunday and be reasonably sure that they were not being used and one could access the rights-of-way.  But on several occasions in the past few years the Salisbury Plain Training Area website has shown no artillery firing taking place, only for me to drive down and find the red flags were up and there were army vehicles whizzing around.  A year or two ago the flags were down, so I trudged up the old Salisbury-Devizes road for two miles from Bustard, only to find a barrier was down across it.

Recently the SPTA website has tweaked its guidance, but still does not indicate military use other than firing.

No doubt one might be fairly safe in assuming that the army takes Christmas Day and adjacent dates off, but on most winter days the Plain is not particularly inviting.

Re: Same word - different meanings - public transport context
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [379130/32449/20]
Posted by bobm at 07:33, 4th September 2026
 
As has been said… frequently. 


Re: 2 of 3 - rail related but no trains
In "The Lighter Side" [379129/32435/30]
Posted by grahame at 06:11, 4th September 2026
 
B5 looks to be in France, from the 'Sor' or 'Sort' as the beginning of the possible word 'Sortie' on the sign at the top right of the picture.

There's also the "Pictish symbol signs"! I think that station is La-Bastide-St-Laurent-les-Bains.

Very, very close - you are just two stations along the line.  At Langogne we stopped for a crew change, then at  La-Bastide-St-Laurent-les-Bains to pass the train coming the other way.

Here is La Bastide:

Re: Imber Bus Day - merged topics, ongoing events and discussion here
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [379128/17260/5]
Posted by grahame at 05:58, 4th September 2026
 
From the BBC:

British army told to stop non-essential training exercises to save money

The Army has been told to stop "non-essential" training exercises to save money, according to a defence source.

[snip]

A defence source said the plans mean not doing what he called "nice to have training" - like large live fire exercises and rehearsing platoon attacks in UK training areas like Salisbury Plain in Wiltshire and Sennybridge in Wales.


Imber could be re-opened, then? 


This worries me. Not the re-opening of Imber which (if any senior politicians or cool servants have been up there on the 23A) has well connected public transport and housing and a church that could be brought up to modern standards to form the hub of a new town. But also with political decisions taking the opportunism of short(er) term money saving even in a sphere they are apparently committed too.   Could money be saved by mothballing the Badminton and Langport cutoffs, with London to the West and South Wales routed via Gloucester, via Bath Spa, and via Honiton?


Re: Same word - different meanings - public transport context
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [379127/32449/20]
Posted by grahame at 05:49, 4th September 2026
 
The two words - which are not the same, but which do rile me, when they are misused - are 'regular' and 'frequent'.  Regular could be 'once every one hundred years', whereas frequent could be 'every few minutes', for example.

Indeed - we had a regular train service from Swindon to Westbury from December 2006 to December 2013 - it ran about every 12 hours.  It has improved since then, but to this day we remain in search of a frequent service, for example as suggested by the Bath and Wiltshire Metro which would run every 30 minutes, though perhaps not completely regular because there might be a gap from 00:30 to 04:30 midweek.

Noble (?) failures
In "Railway History and related topics" [379126/32454/55]
Posted by grahame at 05:31, 4th September 2026
 
Key Facts

Name Origin: Named after Edsel Ford, the son of founder Henry Ford and former president of the company.

The Launch: Debuted on September 4, 1957 (known as "E-Day"), following a massive, highly publicized hype and teaser campaign.

Unique Features: Famous for its polarizing vertical "horse-collar" grille, rolling-dome speedometer, and the Teletouch push-button automatic transmission located right in the center of the steering wheel.

Models Offered: Included upscale models like the Citation and Corsair, as well as lower-priced choices like the Pacer and Ranger.

The Failure: Became a legendary corporate failure due to poor timing during an economic recession, quality control issues on shared assembly lines, and a design that public consumers largely disliked. Ford lost hundreds of millions of dollars before discontinuing the brand in November 1959

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel

There have been some noble (and nit so noble) failures in the railway world, and some of them are associated with great engineers who had other magnificnent successes but these cases results were not as planned:

Leader
Drumm Electric Train
Bideford, Westward Ho! and Appledore
4DD trains
Brighton and Rottingdean Seashore Electric Railway
Advanced Passenger Train
Waterloo and Whitehall Railway
Class 769 trains
Brill Branch
Cardiff Railway (Treforest)

Re: Same word - different meanings - public transport context
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [379125/32449/20]
Posted by bobm at 03:12, 4th September 2026
 

The two words - which are not the same, but which do rile me, when they are misused - are 'regular' and 'frequent'.  Regular could be 'once every one hundred years', whereas frequent could be 'every few minutes', for example.


…and staying on topic, there is regular coffee.   

Re: 'Surveillance pricing'.
In "Fare's Fair" [379124/32345/4]
Posted by 1st fan at 02:51, 4th September 2026
 

Covers EWR-LHR (Premium Economy)                                            US$376.00
...
Carrier-imposed surcharge (YQ)                                                     US$560.00
Carrier-imposed surcharge (YR)                                                     US$22.00


Looks like a case of the tail wagging the dog. $588 out of $991.  Nearly 60% of what you're asked to pay is in this "surcharge" bucket ...

Normally it’s to get money out of the people paying using airline points for their ticket. So the ticket price of $376 is what you pay for with the points, then on top of that you have to pay the surcharge in cash. So essentially with the points you’re getting a 30% discount, which to my mind makes the points less attractive than if you can pay for the whole thing in points. There is something on BA in Europe where you can essentially pay for most of it in points.

Re: Cornwall's history - Trelawney, Trevithick, the miners and many others
In "Railway History and related topics" [379123/32030/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 01:19, 4th September 2026
 
Actually, having been encouraged by two of my fellow admins here on the Coffee Shop forum, I'm now inclined to inflict offer you another YouTube clip, in support of my ongoing campaign to recognize Richard Trevithick as the earlier inventor of railway steam locomotives.

From YouTube, see https://youtube.com/shorts/miwshkCqxHU?is=_g_LdAXh3gqjiZFt - and sorry if it's portrait rather than landscape format (or vice versa) - but that's just how it is on YouTube.

CfN.

Re: Imber Bus Day - merged topics, ongoing events and discussion here
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [379121/17260/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 00:15, 4th September 2026
 
From the BBC:

British army told to stop non-essential training exercises to save money

The Army has been told to stop "non-essential" training exercises to save money, according to a defence source.

It will continue to train soldiers preparing to be deployed or on deployments - such as units sent to Estonia, the Falklands or Cyprus.  But units back in the UK and who are not preparing for a specific deployment have been told to cut back on collective training exercises due to financial pressures.

It comes as Prime Minister Andy Burnham faces pressure to increase spending on defence.  The government is increasing defence spending to 2.5% of national income by next year, but is under growing pressure to reach a target of 3% by the end of the decade.

A defence source said the plans mean not doing what he called "nice to have training" - like large live fire exercises and rehearsing platoon attacks in UK training areas like Salisbury Plain in Wiltshire and Sennybridge in Wales.


Imber could be re-opened, then? 

Re: 2 of 3 - rail related but no trains
In "The Lighter Side" [379120/32435/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 23:43, 3rd September 2026
 
Easy for you to pronounce, stuving. 

Re: 2 of 3 - rail related but no trains
In "The Lighter Side" [379119/32435/30]
Posted by stuving at 23:35, 3rd September 2026
 
B5 looks to be in France, from the 'Sor' or 'Sort' as the beginning of the possible word 'Sortie' on the sign at the top right of the picture.

There's also the "Pictish symbol signs"! I think that station is La-Bastide-St-Laurent-les-Bains.

Re: Same word - different meanings - public transport context
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [379117/32449/20]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:45, 3rd September 2026
 


This image is a fictional representation of us singing in the Coffee Shop

A couple of points from me, if I may?

That is not the admin team here on the Coffee Shop forum. 

The two words - which are not the same, but which do rile me, when they are misused - are 'regular' and 'frequent'.  Regular could be 'once every one hundred years', whereas frequent could be 'every few minutes', for example.

CfN. 

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [379116/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 20:08, 3rd September 2026
 
17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06

17:50 Gloucester to Salisbury due 20:06 has been delayed at Trowbridge and is now 27 minutes late.
This is due to trespassers on the railway.

Re: Newquay Line - services, incidents and improvements (merged posts)
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [379115/19772/25]
Posted by Mark A at 19:34, 3rd September 2026
 
I'm going to sound like a complete fossil - I recall a notice on the, er, left luggage office at Teddington Station, a list of items that was positively Edwardian, I think I recall 'Gramophone' and am sure I recall 'Pair of sculls' but can't remember if the notice distinguished between those and oars. Perhaps 'Primus stove (must first be emptied of fuel)'. The last begs a question - when the railways were still accepting accompanied motorbikes carried in the guards van on long distance passenger services, but insisted that the fuel tanks be empty, what did the travelling motorcyclist do with the excess fuel?

Re: Bristol Temple Meads - station, facilities, incidents and events (merged posts)
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [379114/10737/21]
Posted by WelshBluebird at 19:22, 3rd September 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
In terms of usage, it is also quite handy for gigs at the prospect building.

Re: Newquay Line - services, incidents and improvements (merged posts)
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [379113/19772/25]
Posted by Noggin at 19:20, 3rd September 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
I read that GWR advises that it does not carry surfboards to Newquay. Don't anyone suggest to the Swiss they stop transporting skis.... in pairs...and ski poles!

The Portuguese even make a feature of it on the lines out of Lisbon:

https://www.surfertoday.com/surfing/portuguese-railways-are-surfer-friendly

Re: Interrail UK isn't ending [updated thread title]
In "Fare's Fair" [379112/22039/4]
Posted by grahame at 18:00, 3rd September 2026
 
Interrail isn't ending, but Eurail is - to be merged in. From my email:

Interrail has always been about more than getting from A to B.

It’s the conversation with the person across the aisle. The recommendation that becomes the best part of your trip. Going to sleep in one country and waking up in another. The people, places and moments you find somewhere between here and there.

Over the years, our Pass has travelled under two names: Interrail for European residents and Eurail for travellers coming from outside Europe. 

From 9 September, we’re bringing those two names together. Interrail will become a global brand, welcoming travellers from around the world into the same community under one name.


It’s a new chapter for Interrail. But the idea behind it hasn’t changed. Cross borders. Travel deeper. Return home seeing the world and yourself differently.


Re: Batteries Included! 507001 overpowers its third rail limitation
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [379111/32451/28]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:49, 3rd September 2026
 
They could be quite useful on the Portishead Line.

Sorry. CfN.     

Re: Newquay Line - services, incidents and improvements (merged posts)
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [379110/19772/25]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:41, 3rd September 2026
 
Going off on yet another of my occasional tangents:

On the RMS Titanic, in 1912, the engineer officers way below decks managed to keep all the lights on - until the final moments of the sinking.

Is there an analogy here? 

Re: Bristol Temple Meads - station, facilities, incidents and events (merged posts)
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [379109/10737/21]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:25, 3rd September 2026
 
Possibly because that huge poster was a trip hazard in the concourse? 

Re: Newquay Line - services, incidents and improvements (merged posts)
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [379108/19772/25]
Posted by grahame at 15:20, 3rd September 2026
 
GWR are the archetypal zombie franchise now and have been steadily deteriorating over recent months in these areas - doing enough to keep the lights on.................just.

As Webmaster, I couldn't possibly comment ...

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [379107/28982/26]
Posted by grahame at 15:16, 3rd September 2026
 
Temporary reduction in service from Monday 7th...

https://www.cornish-times.co.uk/news/train-gremlins-lead-to-gwr-announcing-cancellation-of-services-until-further-notice-942797


It seems the news IS now announced, and I can share what loos looks like pretty definite timetable changes:

Thinning out of Cornish main line services - draft timetable from GWR.   Called the "175" timetable in the file name, which rather suggests why it's being done - the lack of working units of class 175??

Posting this morning to the moderator's area as GWR have asked this not to be widely shared while they check / consult with passenger groups. This is version 2 after a meeting yesterday and I don't know if this is what will finally happen. I will move / share on a public board once I'm sure that the embargo has been lifted.

https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/K1-175-timetable-Sept26-v2.pdf

It's notable that the K1-175 timetable is dated "to 12th December 2026" and that suggests to me that the changes will be with us until the end of First's operating contract and perhaps beyond.

Edit note: Typo corrected, for clarity (and to spare grahame from any embarrassment). 

Re: Bristol Temple Meads - station, facilities, incidents and events (merged posts)
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [379106/10737/21]
Posted by TonyN at 15:00, 3rd September 2026
 
Just walked through the subway at Temple Meads.
The new entrance was being inspected by a party including Mark Hopwood.
When I walked back a few minutes later the poster about the opening had been removed not sure why and I had a train to catch so no time for further investigation.

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [379105/28982/26]
Posted by old original at 13:57, 3rd September 2026
 
Temporary reduction in service from Monday 7th...

https://www.cornish-times.co.uk/news/train-gremlins-lead-to-gwr-announcing-cancellation-of-services-until-further-notice-942797

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [379104/28982/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 13:56, 3rd September 2026
 
According to Modern Railways, GWR has announced a plan to improve the situation.

https://www.modernrailways.com/article/gwr-revises-175-plans

Great Western Railway’s Alstom Class 175 trains must now each complete 1,000 miles of trouble-free running before they are cleared to enter revenue-earning service. At the time of writing, just two trains, Nos 175003/115, are in regular operation with the operator.

Speaking to Modern Railways, GWR Programme Director Barry Milsom explained that the fleet’s period in storage after Transport for Wales Rail replaced them with Class 197s has led to a series of unexpected problems, despite the units being refurbished at Wolverton Works.

Water ingress from corrosion in the trains’ roofs is said to be leaking into electrical equipment, with door operating system failures a major – but not the only – issue affecting the fleet. Engine and suspension air bag replacements have had to take place on some trains, and air-conditioning units are also being refurbished by Alstom and the wider supply chain before trains enter traffic.

Continues in link...


despite the units being refurbished at Wolverton Works. - so am I reading this wrong, they were refurbed and then it was discovered they had corroded, leaking roofs etc or was that addressed as part of the refurb? (in which case why do they seem to be fit for little more than the scrapyard post refurb?)

Re: Class 175s to Great Western Railway (GWR)
In "Across the West" [379103/28982/26]
Posted by bobm at 12:20, 3rd September 2026
 
According to Modern Railways, GWR has announced a plan to improve the situation.

https://www.modernrailways.com/article/gwr-revises-175-plans

Great Western Railway’s Alstom Class 175 trains must now each complete 1,000 miles of trouble-free running before they are cleared to enter revenue-earning service. At the time of writing, just two trains, Nos 175003/115, are in regular operation with the operator.

Speaking to Modern Railways, GWR Programme Director Barry Milsom explained that the fleet’s period in storage after Transport for Wales Rail replaced them with Class 197s has led to a series of unexpected problems, despite the units being refurbished at Wolverton Works.

Water ingress from corrosion in the trains’ roofs is said to be leaking into electrical equipment, with door operating system failures a major – but not the only – issue affecting the fleet. Engine and suspension air bag replacements have had to take place on some trains, and air-conditioning units are also being refurbished by Alstom and the wider supply chain before trains enter traffic.

Continues in link...


 
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