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Re: Odd advert
In "South Western services" [363732/30516/42]
Posted by eightonedee at 22:05, 30th July 2025
 
Well, they won't be able to run this one on any diesel train used on local trains anywhere by GWR at present....better put them in store until the long process of preparing and introducing the 185s is finally completed!

Re: Odd advert
In "South Western services" [363731/30516/42]
Posted by Surrey 455 at 20:21, 30th July 2025
 
It's wrong because the train was "born" in the early 1980's so is older than the Trainline

Odd advert
In "South Western services" [363730/30516/42]
Posted by Surrey 455 at 20:20, 30th July 2025
 
Saw this advert on a class 455 train today.
The claim in the advert is clearly wrong.

An example of timetable planing from the north of Norway
In "Introductions and chat" [363729/30515/1]
Posted by grahame at 20:08, 30th July 2025
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If I said "I was woken by my alarm at 03:45 this morning, hopped out of bed even before it got light and have enjoyed every minute since" I would be lying.

My alarm did go off at 03:45 (uk time) which was 04:45 in my hotel in Svolvaer. It was already light, this being high summer in the Arctic.  It is never really dark here at this time of year, and so I could look out from my window in the half light and though I overlooked the main road saw that nothing was yet moving on it.  And I cursed at the early hour a little, or rather at the [redacted] transport planner who's bright idea it was to have the only fast ferry to the mainland leave at 06:00, and his colleague who put the web site for booking together in Norwegian only; the net result was a very early rise - my guide the previous day had phoned in to the operator, checked that it wasn't sold out, but advised me to get down to the quayside early to be sure of getting on.

And as I let myself out of the hotel soon after 05:00, I noted another person with a big backpack also walking down the road towards the town centre, otherwise the place mouse-quiet where I has seen milling throngs the previous morning - a bit later - and evening.  But rounding the corner to the fast cat berth, a little knot of people which grew until at about a quarter to six, a member of the ship's crew came down the gangplank, opened the gate, and started checking people on. I was - relieved - that the crowd looked small for the size of vessel and that the crew ,member had a credit card machine around his waist like a waitress might.  He was checking people who had booked online through, and asking the unbooked - turned out there were about 20 of us - to complete a line on the ship's register prior to selling us tickets.

Sharp at 06:00 we set off, and an opportunity to visit the buffet counter for a coffee and a cheese and ham toastie.  As a high speed catamaran, we were bouncing around a bit, but no spillage and I was belatedly joining the land of the living.  "Plan B" if I had failed to get on the boat - two buses totalling a 2 hour journey, a 2 hour wait, and 3 hours on a ferry shared with cars, was mercifully abandoned.

As it often turns out, that 06:00 departure was not such a stupid thing after all.  It way have moved fast, but the high speed cat pulled into a number of little harbours and jetties and at each of them picked up more people; backpackers and people travelling a long way (based on their luggage and the fond farewells) dominated from Svolvaer, but as we called at other piers there was a proportion of none-tourist traffic - mums with children, folks who looked like they were headed for work, and indeed was probably the case - what turned out to be the daily boat for these people into that great metropolis of Bodoe arrived there just after quarter past nine, the people who had joined for business there clearly knew exactly where they were headed, and the tourists went into the information centre or wandered around looking at signage.

To complete the story of the timing, the boat does a further set of journeys from Bodoe to different destinations in the summer, then return in the late afternoon and into the evening - quite late by the time it reached Svolvaer.  Thus allowing for people to work, have meetings, visit the doctor, do their shopping. And the icing on the cake is that people who come over on the boat should be in good time to catch the daytime train to Trondheim which leaves at lunch time and takes 10 hours - Norway is a very long country; the train coming the other way leaves Trondheim in the morning, and has a similar generous connection at Bodoe onto the fast ferry to Svolvaer.  It all fits together, and when you see the whole picture the timing is - understandable.

I was connection off the high speed ferry onto the train, headed for Mosjoen which is about half way.  But when I got to Bodoe station it was flagged up CANCELLED.  And that's where the second part of my "not all enjoyed" starts.  Spoiler alert - I AM in my hotel though very tired and will continue the story in the morning.

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - merged posts
In "Across the West" [363728/29177/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 18:38, 30th July 2025
 
Monday's weather looking particularly atrocious....

Re: Weather updates, from across our area - merged posts
In "Across the West" [363727/29177/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:32, 30th July 2025
 
From the BBC:

BBC reunites with Met Office for weather forecasts

The BBC is to reunite with the Met Office for its weather forecasts and climate updates, eight years after the relationship between the two organisations ended.

The new partnership, announced on Wednesday, is aimed at delivering "the most trusted and accurate weather service to everyone in the UK", the corporation said.

Since September 2017, data for the BBC's TV, radio and online forecasts has been provided by the Dutch MeteoGroup which was subsequently acquired by the US weather services company DTN.

BBC director general Tim Davie said the weather is "the UK's favourite conversation" and "hugely important to all our lives and all our audiences across the world".  He added: "The BBC's world-renowned journalism will be working together with the Met Office's weather and climate intelligence to turn science into stories and help everyone in the UK to make informed decisions about the weather. There has never been more need for trusted and impartial information to help people understand today's weather."

No new jobs, or job cuts, have been announced as part of the deal.

BBC News understands it is not a commercial relationship involving procurement, but an agreement between the two organisations in the interests of public service.

Penny Endersby, CEO of the Met Office said on Wednesday: "As the UK's national weather service, we are excited to be back working closely with the BBC again. Together we can reach even more people with essential weather information, helping them to plan their days, stay safe when it matters and keep well-informed in our changing climate."

In 2022, a national emergency was declared in the UK after a red extreme heat warning was issued for the first time, as temperatures hit 40C (104F).

The Met Office is the UK's national weather service and a world-leading centre for climate science.

The BBC's weather forecasts will continue to come from DTN for the time being and an update on the new partnership with the Met Office is expected "later this year".

The corporation added in a statement it wanted to "help more people stay safe, thrive and understand the wonder of weather".


Re: Teen suffers 'life-changing' injuries at steam fair - Netley Marsh, 26 July 2025
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [363726/30497/31]
Posted by ellendune at 18:27, 30th July 2025
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I don't know know much broadgauge's specific criticisms are true but I would make the following comments;

1) If you give a regulatory task to a body that does not have enough workload to maintain  a skill base you get ineffective regulation.  For example, in building control the extensive use of private 'approved inspectors' have reduced the capacity of some local authority building control to keep the necessary specialist skills for some regulatory activities.
 
2) If you strip regulatory bodies of the funds they need to do their job you reduce their capacity to be a regulate. I offer the Environment Agency as an example here - their budget was cut by over half (54%) between 2010 and 2018.  No wonder they did not do their regulatory job. 

If you are selecting a regulator for infrequent events then small district councils are probably not the correct people to do it.  Food hygiene, on the other hand is common enough for even small district councils can maintain the skilled staff required.

Re: Bristol Temple Meads - station, facilities, incidents and events (merged posts)
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [363725/10737/21]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:19, 30th July 2025
 
From the BBC:

Hundreds of new parking spaces planned for station



Plans to build a large multi-storey car park close to a busy railway station have been submitted.

The new transport hub, which would include 379 car parking bays, new bus stops and space for more than 530 bikes would be built just south of Bristol Temple Meads station.

The proposals are part of a wider scheme which aims to bring thousands of new homes and jobs to the city centre.

Bosses of the project said the plans were the "first piece in the jigsaw" in the transformation of the area and Bristol City Council said it was "thrilled" to see the progress of the proposals.

Electric vehicle charging points and a new drop-off and pick-up zone are also planned for the site.

The Bristol Temple Quarter Limited Liability Partnership (BTQLLP), was set up in 2024 by the city council, Homes England and the West of England Combined Authority.

Karen Mercer, chief executive of BTQLLP said the submittal of the planning application was a "really exciting moment" for the project.

The partnership's plans for the transport hub are part of the wider 135-hectare redevelopment of the area.



In addition to the transport hub, four improved entrances to the station are planned - with the new eastern entrance, opening into the new University of Bristol Enterprise Campus, set to open in autumn 2026.

Leader of Bristol City Council Tony Dyer said the plans were "essential for the ongoing transformation of the long-neglected area" around the station.

A decision on the application is expected to be made by 16 October.


Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
In "Oxford, Didcot and Reading from the West" [363724/28355/22]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:00, 30th July 2025
 
Bit worrying that they're the only services featuring on that day though!

All outbound UK flights hit by air traffic control 'technical issue' 30 Jul 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [363723/30514/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:57, 30th July 2025
 
See the BBC for live updates.


Re: Goring and Streatley station - facilities, services, footbridge, improvements, events and incide
In "London to Didcot, Oxford and Banbury" [363722/4009/9]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:56, 30th July 2025
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From The Herald Series:

Goring and Streatley Station unveils plaque for volunteers



A plaque has been unveiled at Goring and Streatley Station to honour the work members of the community have put into improving their local environment.

Great Western Railway (GWR) recognised the efforts of Stephanie and Ron Bridle and Janet Hurst from Goring-on-Thames in Bloom, and John Boler from Mobility Issues Group for Goring and Streatley (MIGGS).

With the support of GWR, Goring-on-Thames in Bloom began work on platform 4 in 2017, transforming it into a sustainable haven for wildlife.



Mr Boler, chairman of MIGGS, said: "I'm very grateful to GWR for the acknowledgement represented by this plaque, which shows their appreciation of the work we have done, and to their ongoing commitment to making the railway more accessible for all. It’s a team effort in every sense."

Ms Bridle, from Goring-on-Thames in Bloom, added: "Janet, Ron, and I are so thrilled to be at Goring and Streatley today for this plaque unveiling and we want to thank GWR for supporting our fellow volunteers’ hard work to make the station bloom all year round. Transforming parts of Goring into beautiful, sustainable spaces where nature can thrive and that the community can enjoy has been such a privilege."


Re: Up to 40,000 homes to be built on disused railway land
In "Railway History and related topics" [363721/30512/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:29, 30th July 2025
 
From the BBC:


Up to 5,000 homes are planned on disused land by the River Tyne

The UK government has pledged to build up to 40,000 new homes on disused railway land, including former goods yards, industrial sites and station buildings, over the next ten years.

The £1bn development plans will start with previously identified projects in Manchester, Newcastle, Nottingham and Cambridge.

The government said it was part of its "brownfield first" approach and would create "vibrant" new communities.

However, an interim target of 15,000 in the first five years, is a small fraction of the total 1.5 million new homes the government has promised by the end of this parliament, plans that are already facing big hurdles.

The government aims to attract £350m in private sector investment to help develop vacant industrial sites across the country, to create shops, green spaces and hotels as well as flats and houses.

It is part of its bigger promise to tackle housing shortages across the country. However, those plans face a huge range of obstacles, including strains on local infrastructure such as water, sewage, schools and healthcare, and a lack of capacity in the construction industry to build the new homes

Industry groups say there are already backlogs, with hundreds of homebuilding projects held up by regulatory obstacles.


Plans include building 1,500 new homes at Manchester's derelict Mayfield railway station

A new development company, called Platform4, is being created, by rolling together two existing bodies: London and Continental Railways and Network Rail's Property Development Team. Both currently have responsibility for managing disused railway land, but the Department for Transport said that this "fragmented approach" had led to "inefficiencies, duplicated efforts and missed opportunities".

Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said the new developments would support jobs and drive growth as well as providing much needed homes. "It's exciting to picture the thousands of families who will live in these future homes, the vibrant neighbourhoods springing up, and the new businesses that will launch thanks to these developments," she said.

Bek Seeley, the chair of London and Continental Railways, has been appointed as chair of Platform4.

However, the industry group the National Federation of Builders (NFB) said planning delays were blocking progress on existing building projects on a scale equal to the government's new plans. According to the NFB at least 40,000 new homes are being held up by regulators, including 700 projects waiting for the go-ahead from the Building Safety Regulator, which was set up in the aftermath of the Grenfell Tower fire to oversee higher-risk buildings.

The NFB also said planning delays were also causing small businesses to leave the construction industry, with a knock-on effect on training and apprenticeships.

Rico Wojtulewicz, the NFB's head of policy and market insight said building houses near to railway lines was a "winning blueprint" because stations "already connect up local and regional communities". But he said elsewhere government policy was adding to building costs "on at least ten fronts".

The Building Safety Regulator said many applications had "taken longer than anticipated to process" and that said it was rejecting around 70% of applications because they did not meet legal requirements.


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [363718/29711/14]
Posted by Witham Bobby at 14:27, 30th July 2025
 
Wednesday 30tt.  Not so good

12:52 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 15:00 will be terminated at Oxford.
It will no longer call at Hanborough, Charlbury, Kingham, Moreton-In-Marsh, Honeybourne, Evesham, Pershore, Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Worcester Shrub Hill and Worcester Foregate Street.
This is due to a safety inspection of the track.
Last Updated:30/07/2025 13:50

14:53 London Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street due 17:04 will be delayed at Moreton-In-Marsh.
This is due to a safety inspection on a train.

Last Updated:30/07/2025 14:06

15:18 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington due 17:29 will be started from Oxford.
It will no longer call at Worcester Foregate Street, Worcester Shrub Hill, Worcestershire Parkway Hl, Evesham, Moreton-In-Marsh, Kingham, Charlbury and Hanborough.
This is due to a safety inspection of the track.
Last Updated:30/07/2025 13:50


Re: South Western reduced timetable august '25.
In "South Western services" [363717/30513/42]
Posted by bradshaw at 14:23, 30th July 2025
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Details on SWR website
https://www.southwesternrailway.com/plan-my-journey/temporary-summer-timetable

If it allows the more rapid introduction of the Arterio fleet it should be worth it.

Re: Teen suffers 'life-changing' injuries at steam fair - Netley Marsh, 26 July 2025
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [363716/30497/31]
Posted by broadgage at 13:03, 30th July 2025
 
I have very little faith in local authority inspections, as has been suggested this is primarily a paperwork trail. Not a physical inspection for anything bent, broken, dropping off, or unduly worn.
A visit to a fairground will confirm very flexible standards of electrical safety, one might suspect similar standards apply to rides.
And local authorities have some very strange requirements, some of which are CONTRARY to accepted best practice.
Examples that I have met include;
1) Only blue "safety" cable to be used outdoors. Independent experts actually advise AGAINST  this, for mains voltage, but no matter, "blue cable only" is a nice simple tick for a local authority safety wallah. Bell wire would probably pass if blue.
2) Self contained emergency lights to be wired in MICC (fire proof) cable. Contrary to accepted best practice.
3) prohibiting use of round pin plugs and sockets.
4) A general fear of three phase electricity supply.

Re: Up to 40,000 homes to be built on disused railway land
In "Railway History and related topics" [363715/30512/55]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 12:44, 30th July 2025
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Last suggested by the (then) Government in 2016: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/regeneration-of-stations-set-to-deliver-thousands-of-new-properties-and-jobs

Re: Up to 40,000 homes to be built on disused railway land
In "Railway History and related topics" [363714/30512/55]
Posted by johnneyw at 12:41, 30th July 2025
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It had previously occurred to me that selling off/building on currently disused railway land needs to be considered very carefully.  With the renewed emphasis on transporting goods by rail rather than road we need to ensure that in future there's enough space to provide for interchanges between rail and road where it's needed.
With modern systems  it may be likely now that less space would be required than that provided for former goods yards but I hope that the thinking is going to be "joined up" enough to ensure that the baby isn't thrown out with the bathwater.

Re: Seagulls, particularly in Cornwall - ongoing discussion
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [363713/29073/31]
Posted by broadgage at 12:38, 30th July 2025
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From the BBC:

Appeal to identify man after seagull roof attacks



Police have released a CCTV image of a man they want to identify after a series of attacks on seagulls in a city centre.

A man was reported for attacking and killing baby seagulls with an umbrella on the roof of Bath's Corridor shopping centre at around 16:50 BST on 15 July.

Avon and Somerset Police described the man as black, middle aged, of slim build, and wearing a checked shirt and carrying a blue bag at the time of the incident.

Anybody who had any information about the incident, or who might know who this man was, has been asked to contact the force.



Learning points.
Stop wearing checked shirts, wear only plain shirts, colour according to taste.
Stop carrying a blue bag, if a bag is needed, chose some other colour.
Put on weight.

Re: New Oxford - Bristol direct service, ongoing developments and discussion
In "Oxford, Didcot and Reading from the West" [363712/28355/22]
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 12:20, 30th July 2025
 
Being reported locally that there are Oxford<–>Swindon hourly ECS paths in the December timetable, which is intriguing:

https://bsky.app/profile/oxfordclarion.bsky.social/post/3lv6cv2p3gk2o

Maybe these are route-learning runs as per II's suggestion above that Oxford crews will sign as far as Swindon?

Re: Up to 40,000 homes to be built on disused railway land
In "Railway History and related topics" [363710/30512/55]
Posted by Mark A at 11:48, 30th July 2025
 
One of the sites in question being Manchester Mayfield, perhaps the remains of the former terminus station used by the Pines Express will finally see demolition... is it 65 years after those platforms ceased to be used for passenger services?

Mark

South Western reduced timetable august '25.
In "South Western services" [363709/30513/42]
Posted by Mark A at 11:38, 30th July 2025
 
The article lists a series of lines affected, checking one of those (the line from Shepperton) and the service looks to be as it usually is i.e. half hourly. Perhaps there's another part of their network that's worse off for provision in August.

Mark

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05ejmvvg32o

Re: Up to 40,000 homes to be built on disused railway land
In "Railway History and related topics" [363708/30512/55]
Posted by grahame at 09:43, 30th July 2025
 
I would give this a qualified welcome provided that we are 200% sure that the land will never be needed for railway or linked public transport purposes.   Houses can be built other sites a few hundred yards away, but new / re-used / public transport facilities need to be close and linked the current public transport.

Someone muttered "Council Offices" and "Tavistock" so loudly that I heard it here in Norway ;-) as an "oops", and there is another oops where Melksham Tyres (an excellent company and no fault of their own) have been a challenge to station improvements, but the upside yard is in planning for (I think) 112 dwellings and it would make sense - safeguarding access to the railway, and space for a second track, and if need be platform and/or bridge.

Up to 40,000 homes to be built on disused railway land
In "Railway History and related topics" [363707/30512/55]
Posted by Marlburian at 09:22, 30th July 2025
 
Radio Four news this morning was proclaiming that thousands of new houses would be built on railway lines, which conjured up first., an impression of moveable homes on wheels, and secondly extended linear developments along disused track beds, which made me wonder whether these should be preserved lest they be needed for re-opening. Turns out that the building will be on disused railway land, including former goods yards, industrial sites and station buildings.

A couple of months ago, I was at the site of Chiseldon Station, south of Swindon, puzzling where exactly it had stood (with the help of a couple of information boards) as the gradients on all sides looked very challenging for steam trains. A resident said that the cutting down to the station (from Chiseldon Camp) had been been back-fillled and houses built on it, leading to speculation about subsidence.

The Government announcement.

Re: Lelant Saltings, twinned with Pilning?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [363706/30509/25]
Posted by Mark A at 08:55, 30th July 2025
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Agree, twins more in the intention of the service pattern than anything else.

Thinking of Lelant, yes, there's a train service there but odd, given that the branch itself operates into the late evening, that the decision's been made to curtail calls there after five-ish.

(The last time I caught a train from there the staff really weren't expecting anyone to be on the platform let alone have a hand out: this led to the opportunity to explore a long out-of-use section of the station's platform. I'd earlier been looking for the rumoured section of shore that's bolstered by the plating from a WW1 navy ship. That, I did not find...)

Mark

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [363704/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 06:50, 30th July 2025
 
Tuesday July 29

... was a good day

Re: Lelant Saltings, twinned with Pilning?
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [363703/30509/25]
Posted by grahame at 03:54, 30th July 2025
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It's a 4.5km (1 hour estimate) walk from Pilning (Station) to Severn Beach Station, then a journey of around 110 minutes from there to Cardiff by train allowing for long way round and change needed.   Total journey 180 minutes if you allow yourself 10 extra minutes to arrive from your walk at Severn Beach station in good time for the train.    Contrast that to a 31 minute schedule from Cardiff to Pilining, direct, if you're lucky enough to want to go in that direction on a Saturday at 8 a.m. or 3 p.m.

In contrast to that extra two and a half hours, it's just an extra half hour from Lelant Saltings to Plymouth, London or just about anywhere else ... and Lelant Saltings does have 10 trains calling every week rather that 2 ...  Pilning remains the poor cousin rather than a twin.


Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [363702/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 03:38, 30th July 2025
 
06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47

30/07/25 06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Salisbury and Warminster.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

 
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