| Re: Bike thefts at stations 'decriminalised' Posted by broadgage at 15:22, 7th October 2025 |     |
I found this video entertaining !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSzJKs2muDk
Would never be allowed in the UK !
Poor little thieves could suffer mental trauma or even physical injury.
| Re: Bike thefts at stations 'decriminalised' Posted by froome at 19:49, 6th October 2025 | |
I think I have posted this on the forum before, but some years ago I had my bike badly vandalised in London (not at a station) and when I contacted the police, I was told they wouldn't look at any CCTV unless I could specify within a 15 minute period when it happened (which I couldn't). However, I offered to view the CCTV myself for them (over a 2 hour period) but was told they certainly wouldn't allow me to do that, which was very disappointing.
Here in Bath many experienced cyclists know that the place with the highest incidence of bike theft is the tunnel that runs beneath Bath Spa station and has bike parking along the whole length of it. A couple of weeks ago I turned the corner into the tunnel (by foot) and was confronted with a bike thief cutting through a U lock with an angle grinder (not my bike). When he had completed this, I asked him if it was his bike and he ran off, taking his mask off as he went to mingle in the crowds. As someone else offered to ensure the bike didn't go anywhere, I followed him around town for 10 minutes, which seemed to unnerve him a lot! (and allowed me to give a description to the police). The bike was safely taken to the bike shop next to the tunnel.
| Re: Bike thefts at stations 'decriminalised' Posted by ChrisB at 19:36, 5th October 2025 | |
All station car parks should be losing their 'secure parking' accreditation pronto.
The BTP said: "The more time our officers spend reviewing CCTV... the less time they have available for patrolling railway stations and trains, investigating crimes which cause the most harm."
We have security guards patrolling trains & stations on Chiltern now - a lot faster to deploy when needed than the BTP & guaranteed to turn up as they are contracted solely to the train company. No wonder if BTP won't turn up in majority of cases.
It'll be interesting to see what happens to the BTP once GBR is established as its the TOCs that currently pay for them. Once the cost passes to GBR/Government....they may as well be rolled into the national Police.
But until then, they can police the bleedin' football supporters on matchdays as that seems to be where a lot/most of their time is spent now.
| Re: Bike thefts at stations 'decriminalised' Posted by grahame at 22:00, 2nd October 2025 | |
... With a bike theft though it's much quicker to home in. Assuming it's a digital recording rather than (surely not!) a physical tape you skip to the midpoint of the time between it being left and found stolen ...
Yes, presuming that the parked / moored bicycle was in view of the webcam. One of our guests had a bike stolen (not from our place) but the webcam was capturing only the way in and out of the racks - not on all the racks themselves, and so a binary chop would not have worked.
| Re: Bike thefts at stations 'decriminalised' Posted by Ralph Ayres at 18:25, 2nd October 2025 | |
Hmm. The reference to a timescale for looking at CCTV makes some sense for (say) a pickpocketing incident, where you would have to watch the entire footage until the event happened. With a bike theft though it's much quicker to home in. Assuming it's a digital recording rather than (surely not!) a physical tape you skip to the midpoint of the time between it being left and found stolen, then back to the middle of the first half if the bike was already gone or on to the middle of the second half if still there, then repeat the process until you've only got a few minutes to watch. You can cut a 12 hour window down to a few minutes with half a dozen mouse clicks. Sounds like someone has come up with a lazy blanket rule for all "minor" crimes.
| Bike thefts at stations 'decriminalised' Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:25, 2nd October 2025 | |
From the BBC:
Thousands of bikes are stolen every year from outside stations
The British Transport Police (BTP) says it will not investigate bike thefts outside stations where the bicycle has been left for more than two hours.
It means most bike thefts will not be investigated and CCTV footage will not be looked at outside a two-hour timeframe.
Commuters leave thousands of cycles on racks outside stations every day, including in specially built bike parks with CCTV. Critics say the BTP policy means those facilities are not secure and theft has effectively been decriminalised.
The BTP said: "The more time our officers spend reviewing CCTV... the less time they have available for patrolling railway stations and trains, investigating crimes which cause the most harm."
Simon Feldman has had one bike taken already from outside Watford Junction station and an attempt was made recently to steal another. He informed the BTP, which told him officers would not investigate the theft - which happened while he was on shift in London - as he had left the bike at the station for 10 hours.
"The BTP report came back after I reported it and it said they wouldn't investigate it. Even though it's right under a camera. And I found out that if you have left your bike for more than two hours, they won't investigate it," he said. "I was pretty shocked because what it's doing effectively is decriminalising bike theft and I realised how many people are being affected by this."
Mr Feldman said most secure parking was next to useless. "Lots of people across the country cycle to a station every day and their possessions aren't being looked after. They're not safe. Hundreds of thousands of pounds are being thrown into secure bike parking and it isn't secure," he said. "These cameras, you could put a bag over them and that would be exactly the same purpose they serve. The footage is never watched, the footage isn't monitored so the cameras don't do anything, so the thieves are so confident now they just take the bikes in broad daylight.
"The answer is a tough one. British Transport Police should look into these crimes but there are so few of them these days, maybe it's time British Transport Police said 'we can't do these any more' and hand it over to the local police."
In a list of crimes the BTP will not investigate, it also said thefts on trains should only be reported if the passenger knows the exact carriage.
Any bikes stolen worth less than £200 will not be investigated, neither will car thefts if the vehicle has been left for more than two hours.
A breakdown from BTP of which crimes would not be investigated
Tom Fyans, from the London Cycling Campaign, said more enforcement was critical. "A lack of secure cycle parking at stations and next to no action against thieves leaves London way behind the Netherlands where nearly half of trips to stations are by bike," he said. "Many victims of theft in the capital just stop cycling - if we want to reduce car trips in London and encourage cycling we have to redouble enforcement against cycle theft."
A spokesperson for the British Transport Police said: "Whilst we know that bike thefts are upsetting, inconvenient and potentially costly, there can often be limited opportunity for investigation. Our experience tells us at an early stage that there are some crimes that are unlikely to ever be solved – such as those without a clear estimate of time or location for the incident or if there is a lack of CCTV or witnesses.
"The more time our officers spend reviewing CCTV footage for these offences, the less time they have available for patrolling railway stations and trains, investigating crimes which cause the most harm and providing a visible presence across the network.
"We will continue to apply a test of proportionality when determining investigation – looking at factors such as timeframes, witnesses, the availability of CCTV, the impact on the victim or whether there is a realistic prospect of a successful outcome. Any offence which is not investigated will still provide us with valuable intelligence, used to direct our patrols and operations."
