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Re: Late November and Christmas closure of Paddington & alternative travel options
In "Across the West" [381509/32677/26]
Posted by grahame at 19:40, 31st October 2026
 
"Dolphin Junction in Slough carries more than 400 trains and 10,000 passengers every day".

Does 10,000 passengers a day there sound a bit on the low side to you?


I suspect an hour would be closer to reality.

25 passengers per train .. I suspect there is a zero missing.

Re: Late November and Christmas closure of Paddington & alternative travel options
In "Across the West" [381508/32677/26]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 19:37, 31st October 2026
 
"Dolphin Junction in Slough carries more than 400 trains and 10,000 passengers every day".

Does 10,000 passengers a day there sound a bit on the low side to you?


I suspect an hour would be closer to reality.

Re: Road markings and signs - various errors causing confusion, mirth and some concerns - merged pos
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [381507/12302/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:32, 31st October 2026
 
Rather the opposite situation, in Wales .  From the BBC:

Gaffe sees 'keep clear' lines painted on road outside school that shut 10 years ago


Flintshire council admitted the school-specific markings are "no longer appropriate"

Bright yellow "keep clear" school markings have been mistakenly painted on a road outside a school that has been closed for 10 years.

The 30ft-long (9.1m) markings in English and Welsh were painted outside Ysgol y Fron in Holywell after Welsh Water dug up the road for the sewer network and was told to reinstate the carriageway "on a like-for-like basis" by Flintshire council.

Holywell resident Russell Price said the error was "the talk of the town", adding: "It's a bit daft, the school has been closed since 2016."

Flintshire council admitted the "school-specific markings were no longer appropriate" and said it was "rectifying" the problem.

Price described it as a "classic case of departments not talking to each other".  He thought Welsh Water would have been asked to reinstate the road "like for like" by the council and took it literally, replacing the faded old markings.

The old school is now overgrown, but there is a nursery next door, leading him to wonder if there had been some confusion.  But, he added, the work took eight weeks "so it would have been apparent the school was not in use".

(BBC article continues)


Re: ADHD diagnosis now gets you a disabled persons railcard
In "Fare's Fair" [381506/32679/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 18:31, 31st October 2026
 
Well, it's the Government that has extended qualifying....

Re: Transfer of historic railway estate to GBR (aka full circle)
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [381505/24469/40]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:15, 31st October 2026
 
From the BBC:

Campaigners welcome rail bridge maintenance switch


National Highways' decision to fill an arch at Great Musgrave with concrete drew fierce criticism from campaigners - Image © HRE

Campaigners have welcomed plans to take the management of 3,000 railway bridges, tunnels and viaducts away from a government department accused of "cultural vandalism".

National Highways and its forerunner the Highways Agency have had oversight of what is known as the Historic Railways Estate since 2013, but control is to be given to new state body Great British Railways (GBR).

An alliance of campaigners called the HRE Group has been critical of National Highways' efforts, which included an arch near Brough, in Cumbria, being filled with tonnes of concrete in 2021.

This week, Rail Minister Lord Hendy said GBR would have "the capability, knowledge and experience to maintain the estate".

National Highways claimed the arch at Great Musgrave was unstable, but the work was refused retrospective planning permission and the local council ordered it to be removed.

At the time, Upper Eden Railway Heritage Partnership chair Phil Dew said National Highways had ignored objectors and acted with "total impunity", calling it "a case of cultural vandalism and desecration of a highly valued structure".  It was later revealed it cost about £352,000 to remove the infill - about three times the £124,000 it cost to do the work.

Great British Railways is set to take over the operation of many of Britain's rail infrastructure and passenger services a year after a railways bill currently going through the House of Lords is given Royal Ascent.

Speaking during a debate earlier this week, Lord Hendy added the government had "already been clear that the Historical Railways Estate will transfer to GBR" and the bill "contains the appropriate mechanisms to enable this".

The Department for Transport said timelines for the transfer of the estate were still to be decided.


National Highways was forced to remove the concrete after a council tussle - Image © HRE

HRE Group spokesman Graeme Bickerdike said the switch would be a positive step whenever it happened.  He said: "The broader and deeper expertise that's embedded within Great British Railways - and a more enlightened culture - should result in better outcomes, both for communities and the taxpayer."

He also called on the government to "expedite the transfer" and "intervene to ensure all proposed infilling and demolition schemes are paused pending its completion, unless there is an absolute imperative to act due to demonstrable safety concerns".


ADHD diagnosis now gets you a disabled persons railcard
In "Fare's Fair" [381504/32679/4]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:43, 31st October 2026
 
Given the rising volume of these diagnoses, it could prove quite costly to the railway.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/people-with-adhd-can-get-third-off-train-tickets-with-disabled-persons-discount-5HjdkdX_2/

Re: Late November and Christmas closure of Paddington & alternative travel options
In "Across the West" [381503/32677/26]
Posted by Mark A at 17:42, 31st October 2026
 
"Dolphin Junction in Slough carries more than 400 trains and 10,000 passengers every day".

Does 10,000 passengers a day there sound a bit on the low side to you?


Re: South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed
In "South Western services" [381502/25368/42]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:22, 31st October 2026
 
*Reversal at Milton Keynes? Though not the opportunity to change trains there.

Correct - reason given is that the train is expected to be full without allowing that happening

Re: Late November and Christmas closure of Paddington & alternative travel options
In "Across the West" [381501/32677/26]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 16:26, 31st October 2026
 
Hmm.  From Penzance, the only option is a change at Exeter St Davids on to the SWR Waterloo (direct service) with a 12 minute over the bridge with luggage gap.  Let's hope someone will hold the SWR train if GWR running late.
No direct Euston for Cornish travellers!
No trolley service on SWR either.

Nothing from Plymouth to London either on 28/29th November. Everything terminating at Reading. The only London options are from Bristol and Cardiff into Euston.

Re: Worcestershire Parkway Station project - ongoing discussion
In "London to the Cotswolds" [381500/16141/14]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:00, 31st October 2026
 
Second car park deck, now! 

They'd love to - but still paying off the first one! County Council funded, now repaying through car park charges, but yet in profit.

Re: Late November and Christmas closure of Paddington & alternative travel options
In "Across the West" [381499/32677/26]
Posted by GBM at 14:40, 31st October 2026
 
Hmm.  From Penzance, the only option is a change at Exeter St Davids on to the SWR Waterloo (direct service) with a 12 minute over the bridge with luggage gap.  Let's hope someone will hold the SWR train if GWR running late.
No direct Euston for Cornish travellers!
No trolley service on SWR either.

Re: South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed
In "South Western services" [381498/25368/42]
Posted by Mark A at 14:02, 31st October 2026
 
One of the more minor arguments to promote these services at the time was that the Waterloo - Bristol trains even if low capacity were useful at times of disruption - and with the impending works to accommodate HS2, the Paddington link would be seeing some of that.

Fast forward to 2026, and those impending works and associated line closures are well under way and while it's good to see through trains maintained - to Euston via Winslow and I know not where* it's amusing to see that when Paddington is closed the timings to Waterloo often better the times to Euston, even with that pesky change at Salisbury.

(In its original form and skipping both Westbury Salisbury and the more minor Hampshire stations Bristol - Waterloo was two hours ten minutes.)

*Reversal at Milton Keynes? Though not the opportunity to change trains there.

Re: Worcestershire Parkway Station project - ongoing discussion
In "London to the Cotswolds" [381497/16141/14]
Posted by stuving at 13:52, 31st October 2026
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You can see the problem with the satellite view on Google Maps. I don't know what time of day this is from, but it was clearly a weekday as I would estimate the car park is 90% full here.

It was about 15:15 BST.

Re: Late November and Christmas closure of Paddington & alternative travel options
In "Across the West" [381496/32677/26]
Posted by rogerw at 13:22, 31st October 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
I have booked myself a trip to Euston and back on 28th November

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [381495/32456/31]
Posted by Marlburian at 11:54, 31st October 2026
 
Buffer stores

And I've changed "Wallingford" to "Watlington"  in my preceding post. )

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2026
In "London to the Cotswolds" [381494/31371/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 10:57, 31st October 2026
 
10:50 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 13:27 has been cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Last Updated:31/10/2026 10:53

Re: Worcestershire Parkway Station project - ongoing discussion
In "London to the Cotswolds" [381493/16141/14]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 10:57, 31st October 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Second car park deck, now! 

Re: Last trains - Carlisle v Newcastle
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [381492/32676/51]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 10:50, 31st October 2026
 
What about the 2115 and 2345?
2345 is a sleeper, I think the post referenced the "last non sleeper train"

Indeed.  As is the 21:15...and that doesn't appear in journey planners and stops for 'staffing reasons' only according to RTT.

Re: Last trains - Carlisle v Newcastle
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [381491/32676/51]
Posted by grahame at 10:23, 31st October 2026
 
I am struggling with connectivity in the Boondocks of Spain today - so please excuse this being patchy.

Correct - we have to consider split tickets when traveling from [Melksham/anywhere].  And we also should remember onward journeys - for example Annan, Dumfries, Whitehaven ...

Re: Last trains - Carlisle v Newcastle
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [381490/32676/51]
Posted by grahame at 09:55, 31st October 2026
 
That is absolutely fascinating ...

Re: Last trains - Carlisle v Newcastle
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [381489/32676/51]
Posted by Mark A at 09:28, 31st October 2026
 
Another MP obsessed with trains between London and the constituency. ...

Last train Melksham to Carlisle 16:39, to Newcastle 18:53 (if you count an 01:35 arrival as 'same day') ... with 12 ticket journey sales year between Melksham and Carlisle, and 8 between Melksham and Newcastle, there's hardly a mass transit flow there that warrants timetable changes to suite!

Recalling a conversation on the platform, I remembered being impressed that there was someone heading for... Accrington and now further impressed by the range of destinations people head to from... Melksham. 12 to Carlisle and 8 to Newcastle in a year and, hidden from view, an unknown number of people travelling on split tickets... it would be good to query the rail ticketing system for something like 'Annual journeys from Melksham that are over 'x' miles in length but exclude the top 5 destinations' - for a range of values of 'x' and then plot the result on a graph.

Mass transit is viewed by the likes of SWR-as-was as large passenger flows to a particular destination (and back: I should name-check Waterloo Sunset at this point..).

From the individual's perspective, mass transit enables the particular journey they need to make: if they travel by train they make that journey on a mass transit system. Those individual journeys that do not align with one of the big passenger flows, from the point of view of the railways, aren't the icing on the cake, they're very much part of the cake itself, simply because there are a lot of them and in terms of sustaining the system, they contribute.

Oh, hang on, here is such a graph, courtesy of guess what, so the first question has to be 'That's a suspiciously lovely curve, what is it showing and does this graph pass a sanity check?'



Lets run the plot again but include the top five destinations:



OK, the above not being the result of my work, I'm now going to sit down and reflect on what I am learning, not all of which concerns rail passenger figures...

Re: Last trains - Carlisle v Newcastle
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [381488/32676/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:08, 31st October 2026
 
Both those Sleeper trains from Euston allow seated passengers on Advance Purchase and regular tickets just like the rest of the day. Only differences are compulsory reservation if you are using a regular ticket, and no 2115 or 2345 on Saturdays.

Hence my comment "Last non sleeper train to Plymouth during the week is the 2104 from Paddington".

I was referring to Hafren's comment "I note that Plymouth's last non-sleeper train is similarly earlier than Swansea's, with similar running time (if we round liberally). One is offset by the sleeper while the other involves the political advantage of a capital city". which you challenged.

Possibly you're at cross purposes?

Re: Last trains - Carlisle v Newcastle
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [381487/32676/51]
Posted by JayMac at 08:33, 31st October 2026
 
Both those Sleeper trains from Euston allow seated passengers on Advance Purchase and regular tickets just like the rest of the day. Only differences are compulsory reservation if you are using a regular ticket, and no 2115 or 2345 on Saturdays.

Re: Last trains - Carlisle v Newcastle
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [381486/32676/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:14, 31st October 2026
 
What about the 2115 and 2345?


2345 is a sleeper, I think the post referenced the "last non sleeper train"

Last non sleeper train to Plymouth during the week is the 2104 from Paddington.

Re: Starting homeward bound
In "Introductions and chat" [381485/32671/1]
Posted by grahame at 07:54, 31st October 2026
 
Bit of a repeat here - written up for "Interrailing for the older crowd" and much more of a train-based desciption than a put on the Coffee Shop yesterday.

Travelling from Porto to Madrid, we took the only international train running from Portugal to Spain at present. Porto (San Bento) to Porto (Campagnha) on a suburban train, to Entrocamento on a high speed express running north to south in Portugal, then a railcar that runs just twice a day through desolate country to Badajoz in Spain.  We chose to stop there for 2 nights before carrying on to Madrid on the (again) twice daily express.

It worked for us, and I would recommend it for Interrailers.  You get to see a huge variety, but definitely more adventure travel than you'll get on an escorted tour - thank goodness.  Booking - interesting. Reservations needed on the main Porto to Entrocamento service, which we did in person.  Original passports and tickets on phone needed; the clerk insisted on both "real" and I had to go back to the hotel where Lisa was resting to get hers - pictures on the phone which had previously sufficed did not do so here.  The suburban train from the centre in Sao Bento to Campagnha is an easy 4 minutes, and even on that there are wonderful views down over the river. I recommend taking a train earlier than the one the journey planner defaults to - there were some suburban trains running late and the extra 15 minutes is re-assuring.

The express from Porto was crowded and left a few minutes late.  We "helped" some lost tourists who weren't aware of coach numbers our of our reserved seats in our very full carriage, and explained to them how to find the number of a carriage after their initial strong instance they were correctly seated. We then, somehow, found space for our backpack, case and Lisa's mobility aid in a carriage the looked like it had been designed with a view to posh business traveller use with limited luggage.  Works along the way slowed the train at times, and from an initial 10 minute delay we were 35 down by Entrocamento, and concerned at our 38 minute change.  A word with the train manager as he came through was re-assuring, though we know enough about these things to be aware that he COULD simply have said that to pass us on as a problem out of his hands.

Yes, we made the connection into the last train of the day into Spain - scheduled 13:36, actually left at around 13:45 or so and maintaining connections from Porto (our train) from the north and Lisbon from the south which arrived even after us.  A really old one carriage "railcar" from the bay in the north end of the platform, vintage 1955 and refurbished 2003 according to Wikipedia.  Very much a community train.  Started off "nesting" - Nearly Every Seat Taken - and thinned out along the way.   From being separated and in less than ideal seats, Lisa and I were able to join each other perhaps half an hour into the nearly-3-hour journey.  An old railcar, a low platform and a challenge for anyone to board, let alone us with a mobility aid.  If Lisa was chair-bound, it would have not been possible.

The countryside started along a sleepy river valley then onto dry higher ground, pausing at the occasional station to drop off a handful or people at each and pick up a very few more.  We passed the railcar coming the other way mid-journey and crept into the little bay platform at Badajoz, almost apologetic, on time at 17:26.  Staff on train polite and helpful; locals in Iberia seem to be aloof and very much "survival of the fittest" in boarding trains and grabbing even the priority seats. 

And so, Badajoz.   There's an 8 minute connection into the Madrid train which was sitting just across the platform, and the staff on that train - good on them - checked for connecting passengers.   There may have been one of two, but most of the handful still on the train from Portugal were going no further that evening, and we rolled out of the station and to our hotel.

Journey resumes - 36 hours later.  2 trains a day, Badajoz to Madrid, too early and too late to be convenient.  Up before the crack of dawn, no-one around except for a couple of street cleaners as we wheeled back up to the station, which is some distance from the city centre across the river and up a hill.  But then the station was crowded, awaiting the arrival of the train which turned around and left - with us on board - 10 minutes later at 07:21.  Renfe chap rushed to help us board; Lisa's folding chair comes as a surprise and we are getting use to panicking staff in Spain who see us and assume we need help.

Again, a journey over dry plains, this time at up to 199kms per hour.   Train was an older "Talgo" - seats looked good but were not the most comfortable for me.  Buffet car / counter provided a much needed cup of coffee and pack of peanuts, and a trolley came through in due course too - and so a largely uneventful run into Madrid, Midday arrival, and where we were able to check into our hotel early before grabbing a bite to eat.

Would I recommend the journey?  For observant and inquisitive travellers with time, yes.   I might look to add a stop at Entrocamento to see the railway museum there, and cut nights to just one in Badajoz if travelling solo.  Hotels - Mila Porto (Porto), Turia (Badajoz) and Howard Voel suites (Madrid) all recommended, as close (closEST in Badajoz!) to the station and with lifts.  If we had needed wheelchair access all the way - not an ideal journey.

As an after-comment, the dreadful rail accident in Spain at Urda happened as we left Porto; our journey was on the next "spoke" of the Spanish network into Madrid, and although we passed close to Toledo it did not affect our train.  We arrived at Atocha where both trains involved had started from.  As a terminal, it felt quiet; I have no idea how it is normally, mind.  Flags on buildings around at half mast, and our thoughts very much with those hurt, the families of those deceased and all the staff - emergency services and rail - involved.

The highlights an lowlights in terms of UK comparisons?

* The availability on express trains of a fixed counter where you can get a coffee and a packet of peanuts from a known location and when you want them

* The holding of connections into thinner services

* The need to book / reserve ahead of time with ID required as you do so

* The apparent reduced emphasis on safety here; I find it hard to imagine (and don't want to be proved wrong!) that the UK would let trains proceed again at anything more than a slow pace in the event of a signal issue.


Re: Last trains - Carlisle v Newcastle
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [381484/32676/51]
Posted by JayMac at 05:44, 31st October 2026
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What about the 2115 and 2345?

Re: Last trains - Carlisle v Newcastle
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [381483/32676/51]
Posted by Hafren at 23:40, 30th October 2026
 
Not totally sure this comes down to privatisation; I suspect the situation wasn't so different before! There is a later train to Carlisle at 23:50. But not useful for those who prefer to who want to go home and get some minimal sleep before the next day rather than sleep on the train, and the sleeper doesn't serve as many intermediate stations as a 'proper' last train would. Has the sleeper suppressed late evening options...?

I note that Plymouth's last non-sleeper train is similarly earlier than Swansea's, with similar running time (if we round liberally). One is offset by the sleeper while the other involves the political advantage of a capital city.

Re: Spain - 69 dead after two trains collide south of Madrid - 28 October 2026
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [381482/32669/52]
Posted by grahame at 22:49, 30th October 2026
 
Not sure of the veracity of this ...

Malaga-Madrid flight fares rocket to up to 400 euros. Passengers are calling for a cap on all fares for alternative modes of transport in the wake of rail tragedies such as the one in Urda.

Re: Late November and Christmas closure of Paddington & alternative travel options
In "Across the West" [381481/32677/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 22:17, 30th October 2026
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The earliest date involved is a month away so is it really a problem if they won't see any responses until Monday? Sending that sort of comms out is very much the type of task I would have finished on a Friday to avoid overlooking it after a weekend off.

It gives news that may be bad time to settle and fade. From https://davebusiek.substack.com/p/beware-the-friday-news-dump

The online Political Dictionary says, “By releasing significant information on a Friday, individuals or organizations hope that the news will receive limited media coverage and public attention, allowing controversial or unfavorable news to go relatively unnoticed or fade quickly.”

I learned this lesson early in my reporting career ...

And indeed I too have "got stuff out before the weekend".  Where the "Public Affairs" teams do this regularly, and fail to follow up even with people who write in the following week, I get to an uneasy feeling that it may be being done to try to minimised any need to deal with incoming consequential questions.

Also known as "fire & forget"

Re: To 'stockpile food' is now our Government's official policy, apparently
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [381480/32456/31]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 21:53, 30th October 2026
 
Some of us may know of the old Home Office buffer stores where emergency rations were stored. There was one outside Wallingford close to the station, another on the Didcot, Newbury & Southampton line at Hermitage (or was that a cold store) and another between Steventon and Grove, served by a siding off the GWR. The first two were retained for some years after rail services ceased, and on the site of the one at Wallingford is a very new housing estate.

When there was a firemen's strike decades ago, army fire engines known as Green Goddesses stored at Steventon were deployed. As I was cycling on the main road between Tilehurst and Pangbourne, a column of them came the other way.

Buffer, or buffet?

 
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