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| Re: Passenger numbers up 7% Spring 2025 on Spring 2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367633/31005/51] Posted by grahame at 21:56, 31st October 2025 |          | 
No surprise that LNER is worst - what with their fares 'simplification'/rises
Passenger journey numbers up, passenger mileage down. Perhaps because open access operators are cherry picking (abstracting) some very long distance biggest hub flows? LNER cash balances maintained by the simplification that eliminates many of the better bargains and so puts prices up without being a headline rise. Just a theory.
| Re: Travel-related apps: a more resiliant architecture In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367632/31006/51] Posted by grahame at 21:47, 31st October 2025 |          | 
I know that I am showing my age, but I believe that programmers today assume that connectivity, processor power and storage will always be available and concentrate instead on the 'prettys'.
It's less needed these days but I was certainly aware in earlier Coffee Shop days of the need for it to work on a very thin connection that frequently broke. It still works thin, though currently the worker server is internally a but spongy.
| Re: What is there to do in Falmouth?  Enough for how many people? In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [367631/31002/25] Posted by RailCornwall at 21:24, 31st October 2025 |          | 
Cruise passengers are usually bussed to sights around Cornwall using Tamar Coaches of Plymouth for transporting the visitors around, arranging them to get to Falmouth in the circumstances outlined would have been difficult if not impossible. I have sympathies for all involved but some leeway should be given. An explanation of the limited opportunities open on arrival in the port, given on board, might have given passengers an expectation and numbers might have decided to stay on board whilst in Falmouth Bay.
| No free bus passes for under 22s, says government In "Buses and other ways to travel" [367630/31010/5] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:17, 31st October 2025 |          | 
From the BBC:
A proposed plan to trial free bus passes for under-22s in England will not go ahead as it is "unaffordable" at the moment, the government has said.
The trial was one of a number of recommendations put forward by the Transport Committee, a cross-party group of backbench MPs, in a report this August - with the suggestion it would boost access to jobs and education.
In its response, published on Friday, the government said no money was available for such a scheme during the current spending review period, which runs until 2028/2029.
Responding to the government's decision, committee chair Ruth Cadbury accused the Department for Transport of "lacking in ambition".
"Throughout our inquiry we heard about the consequences of poor connectivity," Labour MP Cadbury said. "Young people unable to get their first jobs or taking exhausting journeys to reach school or college. Older and disabled people feeling isolated and depressed, and high streets starved of customers. It is hard to shake the feeling that an opportunity may be missed, particularly to improve services in rural and underserved communities."
Since January 2022, everyone in Scotland aged between five and 22 has been entitled to free bus travel.
Gracie Moore is 22 and lives in Slough. She spends £120 a month to get the bus to and from work every day. Gracie said the government's decision was "disappointing".
"It would have been so beneficial, considering that under 22s are so negatively impacted by inflation," she said. "Things like buying our first house or affording bills are already difficult, so this would have taken the pressure off for us."
Gracie previously lived in Madrid, where she enjoyed unlimited travel on bus, train, tube, and tram for only €8 (£6.90) a month with a young person's travel card. England, she said, "seems to be one of the only countries who cannot effectively subsidise travel costs".
The announcement of the government's plans on under-22 bus travel in England comes in the week when the Bus Services Act has become law.
Welcomed by the committee, it will place tougher requirements on operators that wish to cancel certain services and give local authorities more control, including through franchising.
Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said the new law would make it "easier for local leaders to take control of their buses" and was "putting passengers first".
Cadbury said while the new law is "positive and necessary" it cannot be "the last word".
Of the other recommendations put forward by the committee, some were received positively.
These included a suggestion that funding should be laid out over a longer period, and should be weighted to take account of rural needs. However, along with free travel for under-22s, other points of action were rejected - including a call for minimum service levels for buses.
The government argued that "significant differences in demographics, need and geography" would make minimum levels of service "very challenging to implement at a national level, whilst also ensuring value for money".
The number of bus journeys taken in England has dropped in recent years, while fares have risen faster than inflation. The committee found that this was a barrier to opportunity and growth in some areas.
Bus passengers spend £39.1bn in local businesses every year, according to research from KPMG. But experts told the Transport Committee that the bus sector's contribution to the economy declined by around £8.9bn between 2011 and 2023.
The committee's report said: "The current deregulated nature of the bus sector can encourage commercial operators to "deprioritise" less profitable routes, often leaving vulnerable communities without a service."
The trial was one of a number of recommendations put forward by the Transport Committee, a cross-party group of backbench MPs, in a report this August - with the suggestion it would boost access to jobs and education.
In its response, published on Friday, the government said no money was available for such a scheme during the current spending review period, which runs until 2028/2029.
Responding to the government's decision, committee chair Ruth Cadbury accused the Department for Transport of "lacking in ambition".
"Throughout our inquiry we heard about the consequences of poor connectivity," Labour MP Cadbury said. "Young people unable to get their first jobs or taking exhausting journeys to reach school or college. Older and disabled people feeling isolated and depressed, and high streets starved of customers. It is hard to shake the feeling that an opportunity may be missed, particularly to improve services in rural and underserved communities."
Since January 2022, everyone in Scotland aged between five and 22 has been entitled to free bus travel.
Gracie Moore is 22 and lives in Slough. She spends £120 a month to get the bus to and from work every day. Gracie said the government's decision was "disappointing".
"It would have been so beneficial, considering that under 22s are so negatively impacted by inflation," she said. "Things like buying our first house or affording bills are already difficult, so this would have taken the pressure off for us."
Gracie previously lived in Madrid, where she enjoyed unlimited travel on bus, train, tube, and tram for only €8 (£6.90) a month with a young person's travel card. England, she said, "seems to be one of the only countries who cannot effectively subsidise travel costs".
The announcement of the government's plans on under-22 bus travel in England comes in the week when the Bus Services Act has become law.
Welcomed by the committee, it will place tougher requirements on operators that wish to cancel certain services and give local authorities more control, including through franchising.
Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said the new law would make it "easier for local leaders to take control of their buses" and was "putting passengers first".
Cadbury said while the new law is "positive and necessary" it cannot be "the last word".
Of the other recommendations put forward by the committee, some were received positively.
These included a suggestion that funding should be laid out over a longer period, and should be weighted to take account of rural needs. However, along with free travel for under-22s, other points of action were rejected - including a call for minimum service levels for buses.
The government argued that "significant differences in demographics, need and geography" would make minimum levels of service "very challenging to implement at a national level, whilst also ensuring value for money".
The number of bus journeys taken in England has dropped in recent years, while fares have risen faster than inflation. The committee found that this was a barrier to opportunity and growth in some areas.
Bus passengers spend £39.1bn in local businesses every year, according to research from KPMG. But experts told the Transport Committee that the bus sector's contribution to the economy declined by around £8.9bn between 2011 and 2023.
The committee's report said: "The current deregulated nature of the bus sector can encourage commercial operators to "deprioritise" less profitable routes, often leaving vulnerable communities without a service."
| Re: What is there to do in Falmouth?  Enough for how many people? In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [367629/31002/25] Posted by Clan Line at 21:12, 31st October 2025 |          | 
We went into Falmouth some years back on a cruise. Much smaller ship, 400 pax, and went alongside. Had a great day..........got the train to St Ives

| Re: Passenger numbers up 7% Spring 2025 on Spring 2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367627/31005/51] Posted by Hafren at 20:54, 31st October 2025 |          | 
Re the potentially more crowded trains, I wonder how the distribution of passengers across the day comes into this.
Less busy peaks, but busier off-peak trains? More spread of those extra passengers during the off-peak, or all crowding onto the same number of peak-shoulder trains, I wonder?
There have been a few times in the last couple of years when I've paid extra to travel out of PAD during the peak, taking advantage of a Didcot split (NSE card fare east thereof, and unrestricted evening peak on the off-peak fare west thereof), and have been happy to find myself of comfortably empty trains, compared to rather busy peak-shoulder trains.
IETs being longer than HSTs (unless in the dreaded 5 car formation) and Electrostars being longer than Turbos perhaps means the base formation is longer on certain routes at least. OTOH on a route like the Golden Valley where a 5 car IET is the baseline (on London runs), perhaps the daily average capacity is somewhat reduced!
| Re: Passenger numbers up 7% Spring 2025 on Spring 2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367626/31005/51] Posted by John D at 20:46, 31st October 2025 |          | 
I did a bit more delving into the ORR figures and have compared the latest quarter (April-June 2025) with the same quarter 6 years ago before lockdown.
For GWR
Passenger journeys 92.64% of 2019
Passenger km is 103.72%
Dividing km by passenger numbers to get average journey length, then calculating change is 111.96%. So average GWR passenger is travelling 12% further than 6 years ago (I guess the loss of some short journeys to Elizabeth line might be a factor here)
Train Km is 106.38% of 2019
Vehicle km is 99.22%
Although the number of train km has gone up, average train length has fallen from 6.387 vehicles in 2019 to just 5.957 vehicles in 2026
Clearly if passenger km has changed 103.72% in 6 years, but vehicle km is only 99.22% then about 4.5% more passengers per vehicle which confirms trains are on average busier.
Looking at it in reverse, GWR needs to operate 4.5% more vehicle km, to reflect the increase in passenger km over 6 years.
| Re: Wadworth Brewery, Devizes - ongoing discussion and updates In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [367625/29926/31] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:04, 31st October 2025 |          | 
An update, from the BBC:
Demolition under way at Victorian Wadworth Brewery site in Devizes

The listed section of the site will remain standing but the old industrial buildings have been demolished
A large, historic brewery site remembered for its shire horses and the smell of hops has been mostly demolished.
Wadworth in Devizes has moved production to the edge of the Wiltshire town, selling off a large chunk to developer Backhouse.
The iconic red brick Victorian building is listed and will stay standing, with plans yet to be confirmed on its future use. The rest of the site was mostly industrial buildings, now pulled down for Backhouse to build housing on the site.
Gordon Snook worked at the brewery for almost 20 years, starting in the bottling hall and eventually becoming head horseman. He said it was "one of the best jobs I've ever had".
"It's quite sad. Part of my life is still entrapped in there I think. Lots of memories."
Mr Snook remembers the famous horses fondly. The brewery had used them to deliver to pubs since the 1800s, but decided to retire them for good earlier this year. Mr Snook remembered also taking them out for weddings, funerals and even as far as the houses of Parliament. "Everyone used to say how nice they looked. I don't know they appreciated how much work goes on behind the scenes before you got out on the road," he said, adding it was "jolly hard work".
"It is sad to see it go," said Helen Cross, who grew up in the area. She is pleased, however, the iconic Victorian building will still be there. Ms Cross remembers the smell of the brewery and the horses and the carts passing by with the barrels on. "A good memory from when I was younger."
Matt Bishop, head of construction at Backhouse, explained the scheme would create more than 100 new homes, including 60 apartments. "We commenced demolition back in early September. The demolition process is well underway. The site is looking quite flat," he said.
Next, the developers will start testing the ground and working out what needs to be done to make it safe for house building. The developer wants to start construction in spring next year, with the first people moving into homes in 2027, and the project finished by 2029.

The listed section of the site will remain standing but the old industrial buildings have been demolished
A large, historic brewery site remembered for its shire horses and the smell of hops has been mostly demolished.
Wadworth in Devizes has moved production to the edge of the Wiltshire town, selling off a large chunk to developer Backhouse.
The iconic red brick Victorian building is listed and will stay standing, with plans yet to be confirmed on its future use. The rest of the site was mostly industrial buildings, now pulled down for Backhouse to build housing on the site.
Gordon Snook worked at the brewery for almost 20 years, starting in the bottling hall and eventually becoming head horseman. He said it was "one of the best jobs I've ever had".
"It's quite sad. Part of my life is still entrapped in there I think. Lots of memories."
Mr Snook remembers the famous horses fondly. The brewery had used them to deliver to pubs since the 1800s, but decided to retire them for good earlier this year. Mr Snook remembered also taking them out for weddings, funerals and even as far as the houses of Parliament. "Everyone used to say how nice they looked. I don't know they appreciated how much work goes on behind the scenes before you got out on the road," he said, adding it was "jolly hard work".
"It is sad to see it go," said Helen Cross, who grew up in the area. She is pleased, however, the iconic Victorian building will still be there. Ms Cross remembers the smell of the brewery and the horses and the carts passing by with the barrels on. "A good memory from when I was younger."
Matt Bishop, head of construction at Backhouse, explained the scheme would create more than 100 new homes, including 60 apartments. "We commenced demolition back in early September. The demolition process is well underway. The site is looking quite flat," he said.
Next, the developers will start testing the ground and working out what needs to be done to make it safe for house building. The developer wants to start construction in spring next year, with the first people moving into homes in 2027, and the project finished by 2029.
| Hackney bus driver suspended after Jewish man 'shut inside bus': 27 October 2025 In "Transport for London" [367624/31009/46] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:11, 31st October 2025 |          | 
From the BBC:

David Abraham said he was shut inside a bus by a driver in Hackney
An Orthodox Jewish man said he faced antisemitic abuse from a London bus driver who shut him inside the vehicle for about an hour.
David Abraham, 52, said he boarded the 149 bus in Stoke Newington Road, Hackney, at 13:35 GMT on Monday when he dropped his bank card inside the driver's cab. He said the bus driver then refused to give it back to him and told him "you look like a Mossad agent", before calling the Metropolitan Police.
Transport for London (TfL) said the driver's behaviour was "unacceptable" and he had been suspended while an investigation takes place. The Met Police said the incident had been reported as a hate crime.
A spokesperson for the Met confirmed that officers attended the incident. They added: "No crime was reported at the scene, but the following day a 52-year-old man reported the incident to police as a hate crime."
Mr Abraham said the incident left him feeling "scared" to go out again. He told BBC London: "I went to the driver and ask 'please can I have my bank card?'
"He said 'get out, I don't like Jewish people you look like a Mossad agent'. I said 'why you say that?' So I was shocked."
Mr Abraham said when the police arrived, the driver initially refused to open his cab to allow officers to retrieve his card. He said: "The driver said, 'no, no, no. I don't want to give you the card. If you want to take that card, open this door, take that card. But me, I will not give you the card.' So the officer opened the door. They (the police officer) just take the card."
TfL said: "We take a zero-tolerance approach to all forms of abuse and work closely with the police to pursue anyone who is abusive to our customers or staff. We are supporting the police and the bus operator, Arriva, while they investigate and take appropriate formal action," their spokesperson added.
A spokesperson for Arriva London Bus confirmed that an investigation was launched as soon as the incident was reported, and the driver was suspended pending the investigation's outcome. "We are taking it extremely seriously and we will take all appropriate action once our investigation has concluded," they said. "We are a responsible employer, and we expect the highest standards from our drivers. We never tolerate abuse in any of its forms and we will always deal with any incidents swiftly and robustly."
The Met Police said: "On Monday, 27 October at 14:03 police were called to reports of a verbal dispute between two men on a bus travelling in Stamford Hill, Hackney. No arrests have been made. An investigation is under way and anyone with information is asked to call 101 quoting CAD 3847/27OCT25."
| Re: What is there to do in Falmouth?  Enough for how many people? In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [367623/31002/25] Posted by Kernow Otter at 18:40, 31st October 2025 |          | 
My favourite day out locally. Great food options, followed by an afternoon enjoying waterside hosteleries.
Can thoroughly recommend https://www.bodegaeighteen.com/ for tapas fans !
From the BBC:

Newquay Land Train is heading to north Wales under new ownership
A land train service has reached the end of the line before it moves to a new home.
Newquay Land Train's last day of operation is on Friday before it heads to north Wales under new ownership after no local buyers came forward.
Father and son duo Mark and Harrison Haddrell, who have run the train since June 2018, said the final day in Newquay would be used to raise funds for the Royal British Legion's poppy appeal.
Mark Haddrell, whose retirement prompted the sale, said the outpouring of support towards the train had been "amazing". He said: "We've had it advertised for probably two years now and unfortunately the only people that came up with an offer were the company that's taken over up in Wales.
"People have been fantastic sending us great wishes for the future but sad that the train is leaving. It's overwhelming to see the support we've had, there's so many families, children waving and I'd just like to thank everybody for coming."

Mark Haddrell has run the land train alongside his son Harrison since June 2018
It is thought there has been a land train in Newquay for more than 20 years.
Mr Haddrell said there were "always second thoughts in life" after seeing the support for the attraction, but he was going to stick to his decision to retire. "Maybe a phoenix from the grave, you never know what might come along with other people if they're interested in taking another train or bringing another train into town," he added.
Mr Haddrell said his lasting memory of running the train was the joy it brought local children. "To see them on board and to see their their faces when they see the train coming, it's amazing, and that'll always stick with me to see how wonderful the reaction is to that," he said.
Many years ago - well, on 12 August 2010, to be exact- Coffee Shop forum member / FGW staff member Ollie and I enjoyed a 'line bash' down to Falmouth. We travelled on his FGW Staff Promo One Day Ranger - which cost just £5.00. I have that ticket in front of me as I type.

We had a grand day out: fairly smooth journey down and we both enjoyed opening the droplights to get a whiff of sea air going over the Royal Albert Bridge on an HST. Changed at Truro for the Falmouth Line, had a bit of a nose around the Penryn passing loop (which was very new, then) and went on to Falmouth.
There, we strolled around the town, found an excellent fish and chip shop to buy lunch, then we walked up to Pendennis Castle. That is fascinating, going back to the time of Henry VIII and being significant as the departure point for 'the greatest raid of all' - the attack on St Nazaire - during the Second World War.
We then returned to the trains for our homeward journey. The only slight delay was at Par, due to rail delays, but we found an excellent pub there, while were waiting.
Fair enough, there were only two of us, but we found plenty to fill our time constructively in Falmouth during our brief visit.
CfN.

| Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [367620/29711/14] Posted by TonyN at 17:45, 31st October 2025 |          | 
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time
May be due to the wrong sort of leaves blocking the engine air intakes.
Attached picture taken yesterday afternoon at Cheltenham.
| Re: Travel-related apps: a more resiliant architecture In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367619/31006/51] Posted by eXPassenger at 17:08, 31st October 2025 Already liked by Phil |          | 
I know that I am showing my age, but I believe that programmers today assume that connectivity, processor power and storage will always be available and concentrate instead on the 'prettys'.
| Re: Empty Sunderland railway station 'an embarrassment' In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367618/30892/51] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:41, 31st October 2025 |          | 
An update, from the BBC:
Sunderland MP condemns 'unacceptable' issues at £27m station
An MP has publicly criticised Network Rail over "unacceptable" problems at a station that has undergone a £27m redevelopment.
A new southern entrance to Sunderland station was opened in December 2023 with Network Rail saying at the time that "finishing touches" would be applied in the next few months. But Labour MP Lewis Atkinson said the new entrance had experienced prolonged periods where escalators, lifts, doors and toilets "were not functional".
Network Rail said it was aware of the concerns and it was working with local partners to address the issues.
The station is managed by the train company Northern but Atkinson said many of the maintenance problems affecting the entrance had been the responsibility of Network Rail.
In a letter, he said it had taken Network Rail 21 months to make lift repairs and put in a working escalator at the station. "The people of Sunderland [have] endured unacceptable and prolonged periods where escalators, lifts, doors, toilets in the station were not functional," he said. He added that there was a "lack of care" shown in completing the redevelopment scheme.
Atkinson called on the head of Network Rail to make to make a public apology to Sunderland residents and commit to an internal review. He said this would "demonstrate accountability and a commitment that such failures" would not be repeated.
Network Rail declined to comment on these specific calls.
The station was branded an "embarrassment" earlier this month by the city council's opposition leader, Liberal Democrat Paul Edgeworth.
Only one business, a coffee shop, has opened at the southern entrance since its redevelopment.
An MP has publicly criticised Network Rail over "unacceptable" problems at a station that has undergone a £27m redevelopment.
A new southern entrance to Sunderland station was opened in December 2023 with Network Rail saying at the time that "finishing touches" would be applied in the next few months. But Labour MP Lewis Atkinson said the new entrance had experienced prolonged periods where escalators, lifts, doors and toilets "were not functional".
Network Rail said it was aware of the concerns and it was working with local partners to address the issues.
The station is managed by the train company Northern but Atkinson said many of the maintenance problems affecting the entrance had been the responsibility of Network Rail.
In a letter, he said it had taken Network Rail 21 months to make lift repairs and put in a working escalator at the station. "The people of Sunderland [have] endured unacceptable and prolonged periods where escalators, lifts, doors, toilets in the station were not functional," he said. He added that there was a "lack of care" shown in completing the redevelopment scheme.
Atkinson called on the head of Network Rail to make to make a public apology to Sunderland residents and commit to an internal review. He said this would "demonstrate accountability and a commitment that such failures" would not be repeated.
Network Rail declined to comment on these specific calls.
The station was branded an "embarrassment" earlier this month by the city council's opposition leader, Liberal Democrat Paul Edgeworth.
Only one business, a coffee shop, has opened at the southern entrance since its redevelopment.
| Travel disruption warning amid Frome railway bridge work - 1 to 2 November 2025 In "Heart of Wessex" [367617/31007/19] Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:52, 31st October 2025 |          | 
From the BBC:

The work will strengthen the bridge to support faster and more frequent trains
Rail passengers are advised to allow more time for their journeys as work to refurbish a railway bridge continues.
Portway Overbridge in Frome, Somerset, has been undergoing work since 19 September.
As a result, trains will not call at Frome station on Saturday or Sunday, with trains from London Paddington heading towards Taunton and from Bristol Temple Meads to Weymouth using an alternative route.
Vaheesan Maheswaran, Network Rail's lead portfolio manager, said: "This weekend of work is a crucial time in the project to make sure we can reopen the road on time."
"We're sorry for the disruption but it's vital that we have a bridge that's safe for trains long into the future," he added.
The railway bridge is one of several built in the 1970s which now needs to be strengthened to carry faster and more frequent trains. New anti-collision markings will also be installed and it will be repainted.
A replacement bus service will be in operation for rail passengers travelling between Westbury and Frome.
The A362, which runs under the bridge, is also closed to traffic until 24 November but pedestrians are still able to walk underneath.
Frome Independent Market, which attracts thousands of people to its monthly events, has told visitors to expect increased traffic and to follow diversions.
Those travelling to the town from West Shepton and Bruton are being told to follow the A361 and then the clear diversion signs to the Park and Ride.
| Re: 175s to GWR In "Across the West" [367616/28982/26] Posted by REVUpminster at 14:04, 31st October 2025 |          | 
175102/116 moved to Wolverton
Ely Mif :9: 175004/005/008/010 175103/104/105/109/110 (175008 is in two halves)
Wolverton : 13 : 175001/006/011 175101/102/106/107/108/111/112/113/115/116 Many of these must be ready to leave.
Laira : 5: 175002/003/007/009 175114 (only 003 is refurbished)
| Travel-related apps: a more resiliant architecture In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367615/31006/51] Posted by Mark A at 12:33, 31st October 2025 |          | 
The Firstbus app put me in mind of the following as it appears to be particularly liable to being bitten by this - once the phone signal's contention ramps up, the app stalls and throws out a rather uninformative error message.
I'm wondering if the authors of these sort of apps need to concentrate on work to reduce the volume of data that needs to be exchanged at these times, or to make the handling of this situation more efficient so that the app has a better chance of continuing to work when the network connection is less than good. For starters, they don't appear to cache the image and therefore data-heavy operations such as their handling of maps.
Perhaps the likes of MQTT technology offer an opportunity to improve things? (MQTT is a communications technology much used by the 'Internet of things' to exchange small amounts of data on a network connection that may be poor quality or unstable. I've no idea what I'm talking about here so may be out on a limb).
Mark
A colleague was on that cruise.
His Facebook post said that he had a great day in Falmouth, with a nice walk, a pasty, and a trip to a local pub for a beer.
| Re: Passenger numbers up 7% Spring 2025 on Spring 2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367613/31005/51] Posted by John D at 12:07, 31st October 2025 Already liked by Mark A |          | 
It is a shame ORR only include an annual change, and not a percent comparison with same quarter in 2019 (last April-June pre covid lockdowns) in their report.
But you can have some fun comparing the figures and changes in tables 1223, 1233, 1243, 1253 etc.
Soon find that GWR (SWR is far worse) that dividing train km by vehicle km shows average number of carriages per train has shrunk. Comparing the passenger figures and km on GWR with vehicle km suggests people are on average travelling further too. This rather suggests that crowding (and overcrowding) must be more common (although I accept IET carriages have more seats than some of the older stock, although IETs were generally in service by spring 2019)
Actually the figures make me wonder if GWR has grown in passengers, but failed to do much about it as it limps on in zombie management contracts mode. Saying haven't done anything is not strictly true, they have secured some 175s (still not in service though), but lost the 769s (never used), and lost some 387s and a 158 without replacement.
| Re: South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed In "South Western services" [367612/25368/42] Posted by grahame at 12:00, 31st October 2025 |          | 
I still have a news alert set for 'Bath Waterloo train' and it's just flagged an article on the Bath Christmas market in an online publication called 'Town and Country'. Very optimistic travel times quoted 'Just over an hour from London'.
One has to wonder if the transfer of 158s up from Devon and Cornwall to a Bristol base as the 175s come in will leave 158s rather that 165s dominant on the Bristol to Salisbury terminators.
When the GWR operation is nationalised next year, perhaps that would allow the GBR BRI-SAL stopping service and the GBR SAL-WAT stoppers - both to be consistently 158/159 operated and perhaps timetabled such that it's the same unit going forward.
| Re: Passenger numbers up 7% Spring 2025 on Spring 2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367611/31005/51] Posted by ChrisB at 11:54, 31st October 2025 |          | 
No surprise that LNER is worst - what with their fares 'simplification'/rises
| Re: South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed In "South Western services" [367610/25368/42] Posted by Mark A at 11:46, 31st October 2025 |          | 
I still have a news alert set for 'Bath Waterloo train' and it's just flagged an article on the Bath Christmas market in an online publication called 'Town and Country'. Very optimistic travel times quoted 'Just over an hour from London'.
Mark
There are regular train services from London Paddington and London Waterloo that can get you to Bath in one to two hours.
| Passenger numbers up 7% Spring 2025 on Spring 2024 In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [367609/31005/51] Posted by grahame at 11:40, 31st October 2025 |          | 
https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/statistics/usage/passenger-rail-usage/
A total of 451 million journeys were made by rail passengers in Great Britain in the latest quarter (April to June 2025). This is a 7% increase on the 420 million journeys in the same quarter in the previous year (April to June 2024).
Total passenger revenue was £3.1 billion in the latest quarter. This is 6% more than the £2.9 billion generated in the same quarter in the previous year (when adjusted for inflation).
There were 17.1 billion passenger kilometres travelled in total in Great Britain. This is a 7% increase compared with the 15.9 billion travelled in the same quarter in the previous year.
Total passenger revenue was £3.1 billion in the latest quarter. This is 6% more than the £2.9 billion generated in the same quarter in the previous year (when adjusted for inflation).
There were 17.1 billion passenger kilometres travelled in total in Great Britain. This is a 7% increase compared with the 15.9 billion travelled in the same quarter in the previous year.
I have mirrored fuller report (here)



| Re: A movement strategy for Bath In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [367608/31004/21] Posted by John D at 11:27, 31st October 2025 Already liked by Mark A, Noggin |          | 
Thanks for this.
I understand the objectives, but I do think they seem to forgotten that Bath is a relatively small city, and a lot of people working there live in surrounding towns.
There doesn't even appear to be any thought on travel to big employers if don't live in the city centre. As an example how many people work at the university but live in Bradford on Avon, Trowbridge, Frome etc. It's travel by car or take ages going indirectly by public transport.
Yes there are park and rides in south west, west and north. But why 3 on one side and nothing from M4 or Corsham/Chippenham or SouthEast etc. It all feels half hearted with a few easy wins rather than a city wide approach.
We go to Bath a lot, we drive in with my electric car (about 40p return in overnight electricity, and £1.80 to park in Broad St car park for an hour). We do occasionally use train (with our senior railcards, old enough for them, but too young for a Wiltshire bus pass), but only when we expect to be there for hours because it is more expensive to use public transport than the parking normally.
So yes I have a vested interest in trips to Bath too, but whilst the train and bus are diesel, and not electric like an increasing number of cars in our area, there is no quality incentive factor to use public transport
I'm in Falmouth most days and whilst I noticed it was slightly busier than normal for mid week, late October, it was nowhere close to what there is mid summer. I tend to gauge it by how far you can walk in a straight line without having dodge people and it wasn't really a problem.
I think the "nothing to do" people are use to having things laid out for them, as you would probably expect on a cruise. Sometimes you just have to think for yourself.
I doubt that all 6000 came ashore anyway as due to the MSC Virtuosa's size it had to be moored out in Falmouth Bay and the passengers tendered ashore in the ships lifeboats. Due to the weather, it would not have been a pleasant trip.
| Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025 In "TransWilts line" [367606/29726/18] Posted by grahame at 10:42, 31st October 2025 |          | 
A few years ago you would rarely see this issue outside of BBQ Sundays, now it's virtually a daily occurrence, especially during half term/school holidays.
When recruitment was in GWR's gift, they made choices about where to allocate resources and the issues where put on the "too difficult" pile and kicked down the road repeatedly.
Now we are told that nothing can be done without the consent of the DfT, and there is nothing to suggest that Hopwood et al are applying any upward pressure to obtain that consent. I suspect that many of that ilk are looking at future, similarly well upholstered future employment opportunities rather than rocking the boat.
On top of that, GWR are a zombie franchise with very little motivation to change anything.
Perhaps, Graham, an FOI request asking for details of representations made to the DfT in respect of increasing staffing levels etc may prove instructive, otherwise, I fear you're on a wing and a prayer.
When recruitment was in GWR's gift, they made choices about where to allocate resources and the issues where put on the "too difficult" pile and kicked down the road repeatedly.
Now we are told that nothing can be done without the consent of the DfT, and there is nothing to suggest that Hopwood et al are applying any upward pressure to obtain that consent. I suspect that many of that ilk are looking at future, similarly well upholstered future employment opportunities rather than rocking the boat.
On top of that, GWR are a zombie franchise with very little motivation to change anything.
Perhaps, Graham, an FOI request asking for details of representations made to the DfT in respect of increasing staffing levels etc may prove instructive, otherwise, I fear you're on a wing and a prayer.
You are so right in what you write - this is an agreement far, far stronger than a like.
I have formally used FOIs before - on just a handful of occasions - and there is a tendency for the resulting information revealed to tell you what happened "after the horse has bolted". So still a wing and a prayer - it's just that we might know later on why our prayer was not heeded. Informally, in behind the scene discussions the fact that information might be later available under FOI can help give staff who would have to answer it permission to be more forthcoming early on.
The question, though, is how on earth we can positively motivate the people who can do something about this to the extent that they do something effective to fix the issues rather than being on a different course that does not lead to a situation in which trains consistently run. Telling the people working for what you describe as a "zombie franchise'' to be more assertive on their zombiemasters is a very weak tool. For sure, we can give them ammunition but that can't be the only string to the bow, and too much pressure could result in a hardening of their approach and a worse outcome for the people who want to use the train but can't if it doesn't run
| Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [367605/29711/14] Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 10:35, 31st October 2025 |          | 
Friday October 31
Two early warnings of evening short workings have now disappeared from JourneyCheck. But have been replaced by
19:53 London Paddington to Hereford due 22:57 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:31/10/2025 10:12
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:31/10/2025 10:12
| Re: A movement strategy for Bath In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [367604/31004/21] Posted by Mark A at 10:17, 31st October 2025 |          | 
Timely, thanks for this.
Mark










