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Re: 25th May 2025 - SWR Franchise expires and services Nationalised In "South Western services" [361722/29993/42] Posted by ChrisB at 09:03, 25th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Sure.ly that is a separate vinyl that can simply be peeled off at the time?
Re: 25th May 2025 - SWR Franchise expires and services Nationalised In "South Western services" [361720/29993/42] Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:26, 25th May 2025 Already liked by GBM | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Q. How many more carriages are going to be adorned with 'Great British Railways Coming Soon' vinyls only for them to require replacement when GBR actually arrives - is there a Delay Attribution Code for government incompetence? - and at what financial cost to the taxpayer?
Re: South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed In "South Western services" [361719/25368/42] Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:17, 25th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think the message for this and all aspects of "renationalisation" should be "manage your expectations".
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/great-british-railways-south-western-london-waterloo-b2756798.html
Re: South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed In "South Western services" [361718/25368/42] Posted by IndustryInsider at 08:00, 25th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
GBR isn’t responsible for SWR. The DfT are. And wasn’t it them that mandated their removal in the first place?
Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025 In "London to the Cotswolds" [361717/29711/14] Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 05:29, 25th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Sunday May 25
25/05/25 12:45 London Paddington to Hereford due 16:04 will be terminated at Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:24/05/2025 21:22
25/05/25 17:45 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 20:15 will be terminated at Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:24/05/2025 21:18
25/05/25 17:30 Hereford to London Paddington due 20:29 will be started from Reading.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:24/05/2025 21:25
25/05/25 20:46 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 23:41 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:24/05/2025 21:21
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:24/05/2025 21:22
25/05/25 17:45 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 20:15 will be terminated at Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:24/05/2025 21:18
25/05/25 17:30 Hereford to London Paddington due 20:29 will be started from Reading.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:24/05/2025 21:25
25/05/25 20:46 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 23:41 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:24/05/2025 21:21
Plus:
07:36 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 10:15 will be terminated at Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:25/05/2025 07:46
10:58 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 13:30 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:25/05/2025 07:46
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:25/05/2025 07:46
10:58 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 13:30 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:25/05/2025 07:46
Re: Cotswold line fares - risen in practical terms far more than inflation?? In "London to the Cotswolds" [361716/30294/14] Posted by grahame at 05:23, 25th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Advance fares sort-of do-not-count as they're here today gone tomorrow prices and changes to the allocations can be wildly inflationary for the individual - for fares, the floor for passengers is the buy-at-the-time-of-travel - as that's the one you'll need when life throws something at you.
And they sort-of DO count is people have been habitually using them and find them unavailable.
Withdrawing / reducing substantially the availability of advance fares that have been offered for long enough for them to be come part of people's routine is an easy and perhaps sneaky way of putting up the average fare you expect people to pay over and above other fare rises, without it being straightforward to hang a headline on what might be a substantial rise in the average amount paid.
Yes, it is possible to find a Wednesday to Wednesday round trip, probably at some time of day when few people want to travel, and hail that as "low fares still available" with a hurt look at anyone who suggests such fares are not available. But that's not the point - the point is that potentially that for most people, the cheaper options may no longer be practically available.
Re: South Western Railways Waterloo - Bristol services axed In "South Western services" [361715/25368/42] Posted by grahame at 05:01, 25th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Now that GBR is responsible for the former franchise of SW[TR], is it time for them to be Great British and consider restoring the through services from London via the County Town of Wiltshire - the nearest county town to London without a through train from the capital.
Re: 25th May 2025 - SWR Franchise expires and services Nationalised In "South Western services" [361714/29993/42] Posted by grahame at 04:58, 25th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqg73znzzeo
South Western Railway (SWR) has been renationalised, making it the first train company to transfer to public ownership under Labour.
The first nationalised service will leave at 05:36 from Woking to Surbiton though it will be partially covered by a rail replacement bus service.
The government has hailed the move as a "new dawn for rail" but it held back from promising lower fares, focusing more on plans to improve services and use profits to reinvest in infrastructure.
Unions have expressed concerns over outsourcing to private companies, while the opposition Conservatives said Labour must "deliver on their promises".
SWR trains are now the responsibility of DfT (Department for Transport) Operator and will be integrated into Great British Railways (GBR), which will oversee all railway infrastructure.


The first nationalised service will leave at 05:36 from Woking to Surbiton though it will be partially covered by a rail replacement bus service.
The government has hailed the move as a "new dawn for rail" but it held back from promising lower fares, focusing more on plans to improve services and use profits to reinvest in infrastructure.
Unions have expressed concerns over outsourcing to private companies, while the opposition Conservatives said Labour must "deliver on their promises".
SWR trains are now the responsibility of DfT (Department for Transport) Operator and will be integrated into Great British Railways (GBR), which will oversee all railway infrastructure.


The article goes on to summarise the plans for each TOC, though I question whether the 2027 date is certain as I understood at least one may carry on to 2028
Two more rail firms, C2C and Greater Anglia, will be brought into public ownership later this year.
Four major operators have already been brought under public ownership under previous Conservative governments - East Coast Mainline, TransPennine, Northern and South Eastern (LNER).
Seven more companies will be renationalised by 2027 as each of their contracts end – or sooner if their performance is judged to be unacceptable.
These are:
West Midlands Trains
East Midlands Railway
Avanti West Coast
CrossCountry
Chiltern Railways
Govia Thameslink Railway
Great Western
Current government plans are to renationalise nearly all passenger rail services across England, Wales and Scotland by 2030, proposals which have been attacked the Conservatives.
Four major operators have already been brought under public ownership under previous Conservative governments - East Coast Mainline, TransPennine, Northern and South Eastern (LNER).
Seven more companies will be renationalised by 2027 as each of their contracts end – or sooner if their performance is judged to be unacceptable.
These are:
West Midlands Trains
East Midlands Railway
Avanti West Coast
CrossCountry
Chiltern Railways
Govia Thameslink Railway
Great Western
Current government plans are to renationalise nearly all passenger rail services across England, Wales and Scotland by 2030, proposals which have been attacked the Conservatives.
The article continues with discussions over ticket prices - which the government has refrained from saying will come down with woolly words that suggest to me that they will not (and "if GBR can find a way" which I'm sure they could with the right goverment environment). It also talks of union concerns for services to the operator subcontracted out, which means that union members "not reaping the benefits of nationalisation".
Alexander is expected to travel on the first fully rail-operated route from London Waterloo to Shepperton in Surrey at 06:14.
It will be the first service with the new GBR livery. The words "Great British Railways" and "coming soon" are painted in white against a royal blue background decorated with part of a union flag.
It will be the first service with the new GBR livery. The words "Great British Railways" and "coming soon" are painted in white against a royal blue background decorated with part of a union flag.
I'll bet the journaislsts covering that will love the early start. The cynical element of me questions the use of very light and very dark colours which may take a lot of keeping clean - though it has been done before - and the potential symbolic use of just part of a flag
Re: Interrail, summer 2025 - daily diary thread of our travels In "Introductions and chat" [361713/30276/1] Posted by grahame at 04:32, 25th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
That "island" is not an island, it is the Corunian spit, which at its southern end runs over the Russian border, being in the Kaliningrad oblast, the separate area of land, formerly part of East Prussia in Germany until taken by the USSR at the end of the Second World War.
Yes - it's a peninsula in the form of a long spit, with the land entry being via Kaliningrad - so the only way to it within Lithuania is by boat.
There is a very pretty village on the eastern side called Nida, that is the former home of the German writer Thomas Mann. Just inside the Lithuanian border there is a low hill with a decorative sundial laid out on the summit from which you can look out over the Russian border.
Klaipeda itself has an interesting history. It was also ceded to the USSR at the end of the war, but ended up in the Lithuanian SSR. It was formerly known as Memel, and was the northern most city in pre-war Germany, and previously a Hanseatic city. You can see all those influences in the city, even if it's not the prettiest Baltic city. As you say, worth a visit, but you'll probably need to hire a car to make the most of the Corunian spit. Good for birding too!
Klaipeda itself has an interesting history. It was also ceded to the USSR at the end of the war, but ended up in the Lithuanian SSR. It was formerly known as Memel, and was the northern most city in pre-war Germany, and previously a Hanseatic city. You can see all those influences in the city, even if it's not the prettiest Baltic city. As you say, worth a visit, but you'll probably need to hire a car to make the most of the Corunian spit. Good for birding too!
There is a bus service from the passenger ferry (connects off at least alternate ferries all way down to Nida) and I understand there's also a bus from central bus station that takes the vehicle ferry that's about 5kms down but, agreed, a car for a short stop at spots along the way would be useful.
The forest and outer beach, even walking into them from the foot passenger terminal with its hordes of children in school parties, was an oasis of quiet and beauty - tranquil - and, yes, I could have walked for miles. Ahead of me on the path I saw a deer - no discernible photo (the technology of the eye is better at seeing these things than the technology of a phone camera to this day).
I could have spent another 2 days in Klaipeda ... but then I could have spent longer in Amsterdam, in Rostock, and in the other placates along the way. Two full days in Vilnius now and we are booked on one of the two international trains from here on Tuesday.
Re: The only floating train line (in the UK) under the Sun In "South Western services" [361712/30298/42] Posted by stuving at 22:01, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Not even original nonsense - "borrowed" from Metro which had this originally in March (but reissued just before the Sun's one on 17th May):
The UK’s ‘much needed’ only floating train line reopens after eight months
An island known for its beaches has just reopened the UK’s only floating railway station.
An island known for its beaches has just reopened the UK’s only floating railway station.
Re: First nationalised train will be replacement bus In "South Western services" [361711/30295/42] Posted by ChrisB at 20:50, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Aaah...ok, thanks.
Re: First nationalised train will be replacement bus In "South Western services" [361710/30295/42] Posted by grahame at 20:26, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
No, before your post.
At 1853 you posted about a URL....
Stuving posted that pic from Railforums at 1910. So what were you referring to?
At 1853 you posted about a URL....
I've taken a look at the URL posted and it appears that the image will only be visible to members who are also logged in to railforum ... "You must be logged-in to do that" is what I got when I tried to load the image.
Stuving posted that pic from Railforums at 1910. So what were you referring to?
I was referring to his earlier post at 18:22
Re: First nationalised train will be replacement bus In "South Western services" [361709/30295/42] Posted by ChrisB at 20:20, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
No, before your post.
At 1853 you posted about a URL....
I've taken a look at the URL posted and it appears that the image will only be visible to members who are also logged in to railforum ... "You must be logged-in to do that" is what I got when I tried to load the image.
Stuving posted that pic from Railforums at 1910. So what were you referring to?
The only floating train line (in the UK) under the Sun In "South Western services" [361708/30298/42] Posted by grahame at 20:05, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The Sun says
The Island Line is the UK's only floating train line
Isn't the line over Chat Moss somewhat more floating than Ryde Pier which, my understanding, is firmly standing on the seabed. Now - if you want a real floating train line try going to Sicily
Re: First nationalised train will be replacement bus In "South Western services" [361707/30295/42] Posted by grahame at 19:54, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The only URL that I can see in this thread is for the BBC News item. No URL for railforums that I can see.
If you quote source on stuving's post you will see
[img width=900]https://www.railforums.co.uk/attachments/ta52ncozle2f1-png.180546/[/img]
Re: First nationalised train will be replacement bus In "South Western services" [361704/30295/42] Posted by ChrisB at 19:27, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The only URL that I can see in this thread is for the BBC News item. No URL for railforums that I can see.
Re: First nationalised train will be replacement bus In "South Western services" [361703/30295/42] Posted by stuving at 19:10, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Errrr....what picture?
I've taken a look at the URL posted and it appears that the image will only be visible to members who are also logged in to railforum ... "You must be logged-in to do that" is what I got when I tried to load the image.
Ah. yes it does work that way, doesn't it. Well, if I upload a copy it will have the same restriction here (but may be a bit bigger than ideal):
Re: First nationalised train will be replacement bus In "South Western services" [361702/30295/42] Posted by grahame at 18:53, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Errrr....what picture?
I've taken a look at the URL posted and it appears that the image will only be visible to members who are also logged in to railforum ... "You must be logged-in to do that" is what I got when I tried to load the image.
When you can't be certain of something it's probably best not to double down.
Hoping a farmer is convicted, then the whataboutery from Slovakia... jeez.
Re: First nationalised train will be replacement bus In "South Western services" [361700/30295/42] Posted by ChrisB at 18:24, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Errrr....what picture?
Re: First nationalised train will be replacement bus In "South Western services" [361699/30295/42] Posted by stuving at 18:22, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
My understanding is that the first train out of Waterloo will be a GBR rebrand....
This picture of a 701 with a bit of sticky tape along the side is on railforums, though I think it was "leaked" first via Reddit. Why it hasn't been used officially is a puzzle: that does look like an official Heidi Alexander. And while we might think it's such a limp squib it's too embarrassing to crow about, DfT's PROs don't embarrass easily (if at all). Re: Train hits tractor and trailer on level crossing 22/05/2025. In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [361698/30290/51] Posted by UstiImmigrunt at 18:13, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Hopefully this farmer is convicted.
Bit presumptive that. Investigations need to carried out, parties involved to be questioned, witness statements to be gathered. Rather too early to blaming any one individual.
99.5% of crossing incidents are caused by the users. As per the rest of the comment I made.
There's no such thing as a dangerous crossing, its the dangerous idiots that use them.
PS There was a collision on that crossing in 2023, what's the betting it was the same idiot user? And failed to learn any lessons?
Once a few farmers are convicted for crossing misuse and insurance premiums go up maybe railway staff and passengers will be a lot safer.
You need to be very careful with your defamation of the tractor driver, as it appears he gained authority in this instance, the tractor driver is not the arrested person.
Which is why I said 99.5%. There was a nasty incident in Slovakia last year where a level crossing wasn't working after track maintenance. The treadles were left switched off so the red warning lights didn't activate or the barriers lower. Unfortunately several people were killed when a train struck a bus.
In this recent incident I know the CCIL, NR incident log, has been locked so it cannot be generally viewed by NR staff. A previous comment on this thread mentions a information on NoFriendsBook.
We shall wait for the RAIB to say something.
And no doubt somewhere on the UK rail network today a locally operated crossing wasn't used correctly.
Re: Cotswold line fares - risen in practical terms far more than inflation?? In "London to the Cotswolds" [361696/30294/14] Posted by Mark A at 17:36, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
If I have this right, which will be a miracle, some figures: [Annual season, no railcard, daily cost] vs a return journey (With) / Without a railcard:
Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads super off peak return: [£59:29](£51:90) £78:00 118 miles. [25](22)33 pence per mile.
Paddington to Great Malvern, ditto: [£47:45](£48:75) £73:20 129 miles. [18](19)28 pence per mile.
Another comparison: Paddington to Penzance, super off peak, no railcard: £150:00 for 304 miles, so, 25 pence per mile. (Annual season ticket to Penzance works out as £76:98 per day & 13 pence per mile...)
The daily rate for an annual season ticket can perhaps be a good benchmark indicator for... something.
Advance fares sort-of do-not-count as they're here today gone tomorrow prices and changes to the allocations can be wildly inflationary for the individual - for fares, the floor for passengers is the buy-at-the-time-of-travel - as that's the one you'll need when life throws something at you.
In a way it would be good for everyone if the railway displayed the rate per mile in some fashion as those can take the sting out of a price (or not, as the case may be). Probably best not to put them on the seat reservation displays, mind...
Mark
Re: Through Fares from Cotswold line stations to Chiltern Stations In "London to the Cotswolds" [361695/30296/14] Posted by ChrisB at 17:26, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Finally.....another win for the CLPG who have regularly been in touch with Chiltern over this!
Through Fares from Cotswold line stations to Chiltern Stations In "London to the Cotswolds" [361694/30296/14] Posted by TonyN at 17:21, 24th May 2025 Already liked by eightonedee, grahame | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
As of the 18th May we now have through fares routed via Oxford Parkway to Chiltern line stations.
This has reduced the Pershore to High Wycombe Off Peak day return cost from £121.60 for the Any permitted off peak which includes a+ for via London to £38.80 for an Off peak day return via Oxford Parkway.
Re: First nationalised train will be replacement bus In "South Western services" [361693/30295/42] Posted by ChrisB at 17:20, 24th May 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
My understanding is that the first train out of Waterloo will be a GBR rebrand....