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Re: Chiltern Railways: an update on rolling stock / services
In "Chiltern Railways services" [363502/30206/44]
Posted by ellendune at 22:17, 23rd July 2025
 
I don't think this has yet been signed off

Publishing the award notice this week on a public tenders site if hadn't signed off doesn't make any sense, why publish the award now if not agreed.   Maybe it was done in wrap up before Parliament summer recess.

But if you know it hasn't been signed I accept your superior knowledge.

There is typically a standstill period after an award has been announced. I believe this is a requirement of public procurement law, but I am not an expert on this.  It gives a chance for an aggrieved supplier who feels the award is not fair, to lodge a legal challenge before the contract is signed.

Re: Chiltern Railways: an update on rolling stock / services
In "Chiltern Railways services" [363501/30206/44]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:47, 23rd July 2025
 
Thanks for that detailed update, ChrisB. 


Re: Chiltern Railways: an update on rolling stock / services
In "Chiltern Railways services" [363500/30206/44]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:04, 23rd July 2025
 
Here you go

Standstill period
End: 31 July 2025
9 working days
Earliest date the contract will be signed
1 August 2025

https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/041655-2025

Re: Chiltern Railways: an update on rolling stock / services
In "Chiltern Railways services" [363499/30206/44]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:55, 23rd July 2025
 
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Re: Chiltern Railways: an update on rolling stock / services
In "Chiltern Railways services" [363498/30206/44]
Posted by John D at 20:39, 23rd July 2025
 
I don't think this has yet been signed off

Publishing the award notice this week on a public tenders site if hadn't signed off doesn't make any sense, why publish the award now if not agreed.   Maybe it was done in wrap up before Parliament summer recess.

But if you know it hasn't been signed I accept your superior knowledge.

Re: Chiltern Railways: an update on rolling stock / services
In "Chiltern Railways services" [363497/30206/44]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:34, 23rd July 2025
 
I don't think this has yet been signed off

Re: Chiltern Railways: an update on rolling stock / services
In "Chiltern Railways services" [363496/30206/44]
Posted by John D at 18:49, 23rd July 2025
 
Appears an award had happened with Chiltern taking all the mk5s and associated class 68 locos

Contract is recorded as worth £300m and for 144 months

Description
The contracting authority will enter into contracts with the supplier for the supply of existing rolling stock for use on the Chiltern Railways routes.  These contracts will be for the leasing by the supplier to the contracting authority of the supplier's full fleet of Mark5A coaches and Class 68 locomotives, for operation by the contracting authority, with associated maintenance.

On 22 December 2023 the contracting authority issued a contract notice - utilities with Notice reference 2023/S 000-037814 for the replacement of existing rolling stock.  Beacon Rail Finance (Europe) Limited was the only supplier that could offer rolling stock units that meet the contracting authority's technical requirements of having units able to be utilised in fixed formations of 5 passenger vehicles to enter into passenger service from 31 March 2026 on a turnkey basis. 

Under the agreed contract terms, the supplier will be responsible for procuring preventative and corrective maintenance for the units on an interim basis for a period between contract award and 6 December 2026.  This will cover services in respect of 4 units to be provided for the purposes of driver training and 3 units to enable passenger service commencement on 1 April 2026.  The contracting authority will be responsible for certain train preparation, cleaning, fuelling and minor defect rectification services (as agreed from time to time between the contracting authority and the supplier's maintenance providers) during this interim period and will be a party to the interim service agreement in order to reduce interface risk with its self-delivered services and facilitate the performance and reliability of the units.  The contracting authority intends to carry out a separate procurement for the long-term provision of preventative and corrective maintenance over the remainder of the 144 month period.

https://bidstats.uk/tenders/2025/W30/850985284



Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [363495/28982/26]
Posted by ellendune at 16:28, 23rd July 2025
 
According to Modern Railways-
A tender notice for the modification of Laira for '175s' and withdrawal of the Castle sets has been issued. Work set to begin next year.
https://x.com/modern_railways/status/1939627842465149298?s=61&t=VlafMC5gF9tidw36b1Y8JQ

I know a few have moved from storage near Ely, to Wolverton.  And some have been there many weeks now. 

So are the ones now at Wolverton there for assessment of the scope of work?

Re: A trip on GWR's Battery Electric Train - 17/12/2024
In "Thames Valley Branches" [363494/29641/13]
Posted by ellendune at 16:25, 23rd July 2025
 
My own battery charger is a 7 kW job. That is a pretty normal option, being able to deliver the charge at household voltage with a 30A current. 14 kW would need a 60A current, doable with a 3-phase supply. I would assume the battery charger would take that. I didn't realise it was only a 14 kW supply, given that high speed DC chargers for cars can run at 150 kW. Given the information in grahame's report of his trip, 14 kW would be enough to keep the West Ealing to Greenford service running, but without capacity for much more. But would much more be needed?

A three-phase charger is typically 22kW, but a typical three-phase supply has 100 Amps on each phase, so if it was totally dedicated to charging it could deliver around 65 kW. In the right location I am sure more current could be provided. 

Re: A trip on GWR's Battery Electric Train - 17/12/2024
In "Thames Valley Branches" [363493/29641/13]
Posted by matth1j at 13:51, 23rd July 2025
 
A modern electric car has a battery of at least 60 kwh
Being pedantic, that's not quite true. For example the battery of the recently released Renault 4 is 52kWh, while its 5 sibling also has a 40kWh option. A Ford Puma's is 53kWh.

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [363492/30357/46]
Posted by Timmer at 11:11, 23rd July 2025
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When the ‘environment’ is being used to justify cuts to public transport then you have a problem as this completely goes against one of the benefits of public transport.

Re: 175s to GWR
In "Across the West" [363491/28982/26]
Posted by John D at 10:46, 23rd July 2025
 
I know a few have moved from storage near Ely, to Wolverton.  And some have been there many weeks now. 

I am guessing they are being repainted, getting a mechanical service/overhaul and possibly a light refurbishment, but seems ages that some have been there, so does anyone know when first one in GWR spec (as in planned passenger spec, not crew training spec) is expected to be ready, and delivered (or driven) to Laira.

Re: The next adventure ... and a comparison between passenger experiences
In "Introductions and chat" [363490/30476/1]
Posted by grahame at 09:46, 23rd July 2025
 
... Which gave me an extra hour to look around the town, the 7th largest in Sweden, but that's the next story.

That story got rather off public transport - posted (here) in public on Faceplate. More later, but it look like I'm shortly on a rail replacement bus which will cut my ability to write without being travel sick.

Re: A trip on GWR's Battery Electric Train - 17/12/2024
In "Thames Valley Branches" [363489/29641/13]
Posted by broadgage at 09:19, 23rd July 2025
 
A modern electric car has a battery of at least 60 kwh, which suffices for a days use in most circumstances.
A battery train, would by my estimation need at least five times that, per vehicle. It would weigh more than fives as much as the battery car, but the reduced rolling resistance of a train if compared to a car, partially offsets the extra weight.
Heating, cooling, lighting and charging of portable electronics would also need electricity, but probably less per passenger than in a car.
A 14 kw charging supply COULD charge a 900 kwh battery, but it would take days.
A 14 kw supply could slowly charge a large trackside battery, and this could charge the train as quickly as desired, but recharging this trackside battery would then take days.

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [363488/30357/46]
Posted by grahame at 07:45, 23rd July 2025
 
We have decided to change the 30 and 205 bus routes because there is no economic or environmental reason to run more buses than is required at the busiest time of day, location and direction. Usage of both has markedly reduced since the pandemic

•Weekday usage on route 30 has decreased by 25% weekdays, 13% on Saturdays and by 13% on Sundays
•Weekday usage on route 205 has decreased by 19% weekdays, 15% on Saturdays and by 12% on Sundays

Couldn't they have just reduced the frequency of both buses without changing the routes?

I noted that they make no comment about the social or passenger needs in the reasons they gave for making the change.  Purely listing cost (to them) and environment (greenwash is always a good pleaser that people won't argue against.

Yes - I do hear the overcapacity issue on the Paddington to Baker Street (quite short compared to the whole route) section. That's the way things work - routes often have busy middle sections and quite outer ends BUT if you cut the outer ends, you damage the economic case that they make for the middle section too. Classic examples are city centre to residential services where you trim the branches back and damage the core / trunk in the process.

Isn't it interesting too that they have halved the service from Paddington to Baker Street as I understand it - a 50% cut, even though traffic is only down 12% to 25%.  I would caution, though, about reducing frequencies.  The 205 need(ed) a reasonable frequency as a turn-up-and-go for people who may be arriving into Paddington or St Pancras late and are going to get angst with a long wait.

In my view,  the changes were a poor decision with little or no regard to the social changes, and perhaps someone or some organisation had noticed that getting people to use the underground / cross rail alternatives would bring in more income for TfL that bus fares / passes from people out of town?

I came through London (Paddington) on Sunday on my way to Liverpool Street.  No 205, and not tempted to change along the way with two rather than one waits for buses, and with a heavy pack. Took the Elizabeth Line, noting long queues for the lifts at Paddington and the one at Liverpool Street on the way up to the main station out of order.  Me thinks the inter station bus service has been culled without an adequate alternative for the less-than-athletic being provided.

Re: The next adventure ... and a comparison between passenger experiences
In "Introductions and chat" [363487/30476/1]
Posted by grahame at 06:55, 23rd July 2025
Already liked by PrestburyRoad, GBM, eightonedee, Western Pathfinder, Witham Bobby, Timmer
 
The schedule was the 08:29 from Odense to Copenhagen (Kastrup) Airport, change (10:12 to 10:30)  onto the train to Gothenburg there to arrive at 14:20, change (14:20 to 15:29) on the train to Orebro that arrived there at 18:19.

Not how it worked out.  I left my hotel at 08:00 and caught a late running train at around 08:15 into Copenhagen (Central).  A state of some chaos there and rather than wait for my train to reverse and carry on to Kastrup, I decided to have what turned out to be a very short look around - a platform change onto the train to Gothenburg scheduled an hour earlier, which left atound 20 minutes late but made up time and go to Gothenburg at 13:20.   No need to wait for the planned onward train to Orebro - there was one leaving a couple of platforms away at 13:29 and another quick change and on our way - due into Orebro ay 16:19 - a full two hours gained. 

All good stories that there not-so-wonderful parts.  The 13:29 to Orebro train failed and we crawled into the station at Aspen (no, not THAT Aspen) where we sat for a while.   Then we moved on to Floda where we went onto a side platform and also sat for a while.  Trains are computerised these days, and just like a laptop that's giving problems, rebooting does wonders and the train was gotten working again - though (translated for me by a couple of rail staff using it to get to their shifts) it had to then proceed at reduced speed. And we also had to wait in another station for the Stockholm Express to get past. We arrive in Orebro about 45 minutes late, at  17:05 - or 75 minutes early on my schedule.  Which gave me an extra hour to look around the town, the 7th largest in Sweden, but that's the next story.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [363486/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 06:09, 23rd July 2025
 
06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47

Facilities on the 06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.
Will be formed of 3 coaches instead of 2.

Further Information

If you arrive at your destination 15 or more minutes late because your GWR train was delayed or cancelled, you can claim Delay Repay compensation. Please keep your ticket and visit GWR.com/DelayRepay
Last Updated:23/07/2025 05:04

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [363485/29650/26]
Posted by a-driver at 20:53, 22nd July 2025
 
Consistency being maintained.....

Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

Following a broken down train at Twyford some lines will be reopened shortly. Disruption is expected until 17:15 22/07.

Train services between London Paddington and Reading may be delayed by up to 15 minutes.

Broken down freight train.

Re: Inverness to Kyle of Lochalsh rail line closed after tracks flooded - 22/7/2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [363484/30481/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 20:45, 22nd July 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby
 
Lines reopen in the morning

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [363483/30357/46]
Posted by Surrey 455 at 20:25, 22nd July 2025
 
We have decided to change the 30 and 205 bus routes because there is no economic or environmental reason to run more buses than is required at the busiest time of day, location and direction. Usage of both has markedly reduced since the pandemic

•Weekday usage on route 30 has decreased by 25% weekdays, 13% on Saturdays and by 13% on Sundays
•Weekday usage on route 205 has decreased by 19% weekdays, 15% on Saturdays and by 12% on Sundays

Couldn't they have just reduced the frequency of both buses without changing the routes?

Re: Severn Valley Railway - heritage line, Worcestershire and Shropshire - merged posts
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [363482/6572/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:04, 22nd July 2025
 
From the BBC:

Timelapse shows heritage railway track repairs

Timelapse footage has been released showing engineers completing repairs on a section of track after a landslip closed a heritage railway line.

The Severn Valley Railway, which runs for 16 miles (26km) from Kidderminster, Worcestershire, to Bridgnorth, Shropshire, suffered a landslip in January.

It meant trains could only run to Hampton Loade, cutting out the Bridgnorth section of the line.

On Friday, the line will officially reopen as the famous Flying Scotsman locomotive steams into Bridgnorth.


Re: Bristol Airport - proposals for expansion and bus services - merged posts
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [363481/22894/5]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:31, 22nd July 2025
 
From the BBC:

Airport's new £60m transport hub officially opens


The new facility was officially opened by airport CEO Dave Lees (left), MP Sadik Al-Hassan (centre) and council leader Mike Bell (right)

A new £60m transport interchange has been officially opened at Bristol Airport.

The facility, one of the largest of its kind in the region, can hold an extra 2,000 parking spaces, as well as significantly expanding the number of bus and coach spaces. It will also home the airport's new "drop and go" zone and offer better pedestrian links to the terminal.

Dave Lees, chief executive of the Airport, said the new development was "really important as it represents a milestone in terms of improving the facilities for our customers". "Gone are the days of passengers having to walk up slopes here," he added, explaining that the number of bays for coaches and buses had been doubled, as well as the addition of new covered access routes, covered seating and toilet facilities. This signifies the airport's "level of ambition" as it "looks to the future", he added.

The project has taken more than two years to complete, and is part of a wider £400m "airport transformation programme" to improve transport links. Currently only about 15% of airport customers arrive at the site by bus.

North Somerset Council leader Mile Bell said the new facility was a "fantastic new piece of infrastructure" for customers but stressed that there was still work to be done. "I think we all recognise that we've still got more to do to make the access routes easier and introduce mass transit, particularly from Bristol city centre so people can get here easier, faster and cheaper using public transport," he said. Meanwhile, he added, passengers should "give public transport a try" and avoid antisocial parking in local communities around the airport.

His comments were echoed by North Somerset MP Sadik Al-Hassan, who also called for a mass transit to the airport and urged any further expansion of the airport to be "balanced with the views of the community". Telling the BBC there were "swings and roundabouts" with any airport expansion, he said: "This is allowing more people to come here by sustainable means, so I'm hoping it will help. but it's part of what needs to be a larger plan to look at how the airport sits within the wider economic area."


Inverness to Kyle of Lochalsh rail line closed after tracks flooded - 22/7/2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [363480/30481/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:19, 22nd July 2025
 
From the BBC:



Train services on a Highland rail line have been cancelled after the tracks were submerged by flood water.

Silt was washed onto the line at Achanalt, east of Achnasheen in Wester Ross, during heavy rainfall overnight.

ScotRail said all services between Inverness and Kyle of Lochalsh had been suspended.

Replacement bus services have been arranged and train tickets are being accepted on Stagecoach North bus services between Inverness and Dingwall and CityLink buses between Inverness and Kyle of Lochalsh.

There was also flooding reported at Garve, on the same line.

Met Office weather warnings for rain were in force across the region on Monday and overnight until 06:00.

Engineers arrived at Achanalt on Tuesday morning to carry out inspections.

Network Rail said they had a team on site to clear the debris and inspect the track and level crossing. "Floodwater has subsided, but the debris it's brought with it is blocking the track and the station area," it said in a statement.

ScotRail said they would provide an update on Wednesday's service later.

The rail company also closed part of the train line between Inverness and Aberdeen while repairs, which are now complete, were carried out on the track between Inverness Airport and Nairn.

Replacement buses were provided to take passengers from Aberdeen to Inverness and train tickets were accepted on Stagecoach buses while rail services were disrupted.


Re: Senior Railcard - ongoing issues, merged posts
In "Fare's Fair" [363479/26533/4]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 17:47, 22nd July 2025
Already liked by Witham Bobby, rogerw
 

In practice it wont make any difference as the date on the railcard itself is correct. Just check the date on your renewed railcard/receipt is correct. As you probably know you'll need to fill in a new application form.

Presumably that's in case you've got younger in the intervening year and so no longer qualify for that Railcard?

Re: IEP seats in 2025
In "Across the West" [363478/29826/26]
Posted by 1st fan at 16:54, 22nd July 2025
 
I believe a new design of cushion is being considered/trialed for the 'quarter life' refurb that'll be coming up soon.  Worn ones are being replaced ad-hoc.  If you have a 'good' train manager if you mention it to them they can log that seat into the fault app.

I hope that refurb also includes proper buggy space provision and a redesigned bike space hook allowing for thicker rimmed bike wheels.  Normal USB and USB-C charging sockets would also be very useful - Chiltern's ongoing Class 168 refresh is featuring those.

Very good news if they are looking at seat cushion redesign. Don’t remember seeing the Train Manager actually.

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2025
In "Across the West" [363477/29650/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:32, 22nd July 2025
 
Consistency being maintained.....

Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

Following a broken down train at Twyford some lines will be reopened shortly. Disruption is expected until 17:15 22/07.

Train services between London Paddington and Reading may be delayed by up to 15 minutes.

Re: 'French infantry at Waterloo' - caption for an image
In "The Lighter Side" [363476/30479/30]
Posted by TonyK at 16:04, 22nd July 2025
Already liked by Oxonhutch, TaplowGreen, GBM, lympstone_commuter, Western Pathfinder, johnneyw
 
C’est magnifique, mais ce n’est pas la gare.

(Apologies to Pierre Bosquet)


Never trust anything you read on the internet. 

         - Abraham Lincoln, 1808

Trains not calling at Crewkerne from 28 Jul 25
In "South Western services" [363475/30480/42]
Posted by bradshaw at 14:21, 22nd July 2025
 

Just appeared on SWR’s X site
From Monday 28 July, until further notice, trains will not call at Crewkerne due to temporary speed restriction.

A connecting bus service will run from Yeovil Junction to Axminster calling at Crewkerne.


More detail from their website

  We are experiencing some of the driest conditions for around 200 years, and in the Crewkerne area this has dried out and shrunk the clay soil embankments that support our tracks. This is a problem known as ‘soil moisture deficit’, which Network Rail explains here.

Because track levels have been disturbed, our trains cannot travel safely at their normal speeds, meaning we have to implement a 40mph speed restriction on four miles of track. Unfortunately, track levels cannot be restored to normal until ground conditions improve.

Why can’t trains call at Crewkerne?

If trains continue to call at Crewkerne it will create delays that will quickly spread along the West of England Line, leading to cancellations and large gaps between services.

As a result, we have had to make the difficult decision for trains not to call at Crewkerne.

When will trains call at Crewkerne again?

We will restore train services as soon as we possibly can, but until further notice, trains will not call at Crewkerne.

As hot and dry conditions are set to continue, we are warning customers that additional speed restrictions and further timetable changes are likely to be necessary west of Salisbury over the summer. We are carefully monitoring embankment and track conditions to understand when changes will be needed.

Re: The variety that is rail travel.
In "The Lighter Side" [363474/30464/30]
Posted by eightonedee at 13:50, 22nd July 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
Is the Molli Bahn station Heiligendamm?

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [363473/30357/46]
Posted by matth1j at 12:18, 22nd July 2025
 
we’re sorry to learn of the inconvenience this may cause to your journeys and those of the community you support.

... and wonder, if they are only learning of that now, how poor was the reach of their consultation or them taking note of the inputs it generated?
Hopefully you will give us Katie's reply to that question

 
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