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Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378623/32397/43]
Posted by Trowres at 21:24, 23rd August 2026
 
Maybe a benefit of GBR would be the elimination of separate TOC/NR control offices?

They would still be vulnerable to power cuts, though, without a major integration and update of backup systems.  That will take time.  And money. 


But, even without upgrades, you have reduced the points-vulnerable-to-causing-total-failure (no train service) from 2 to 1. That ought to reduce the risk!

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378622/32397/43]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:04, 23rd August 2026
 
Maybe a benefit of GBR would be the elimination of separate TOC/NR control offices?

They would still be vulnerable to power cuts, though, without a major integration and update of backup systems.  That will take time.  And money. 


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [378621/31359/18]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:57, 23rd August 2026
 
Trying to understand you here - are you saying that Oxford City Centre is like Melksham centre, some way from he station? It's about a 10 minute walk.

I'm not sure whether we're discussing Melksham or Oxford timings here. 

I have no experience of Oxford, but I do have some, by now considerable, experience of Melksham.  Google Maps suggests that it's a 17 minute walk from Melksham Station to Market Square, which I would regard as the 'town centre' of Melksham (as that's where the Town Hall is).  I would say that's optimistic, assuming a fit person with no luggage.  In my personal experience, lugging a suitcase, I'd say it is more like a 20 minute walk.

CfN. 

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378620/32397/43]
Posted by Trowres at 20:43, 23rd August 2026
 
Not to weigh in on the criticism... but to ask why "XC control" has become vital to the running of trains? Isn't the signalling and NR control function capable of meeting all the operational and safety requirements?

The XC Control Room duty manager would be needed to deal with incident management.  That could be something quite small such as dealing with a driver who has had a SPAD, to something more serious like stranded train scenarios, to something very serious such as an accident or derailment.  So I can understand why them being contactable and in contact with everyone is essential these days. 

Each TOC having back up facilities that can be fully operational within a couple of hours could also be regarded as essential.

Thanks for that insight, II. As the power failure was Saturday, and XC trains continued to run until close-of-play, I am going to guess that some other factors are more critical in XC's case. This evening, there have been a couple of trains between Birmingham and Derby/Leicester.  (but nothing else I've noticed so far).

Maybe a benefit of GBR would be the elimination of separate TOC/NR control offices?

Re: Inspiration Train - travelling exhibition marking 200 years of railways
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378619/30289/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:28, 23rd August 2026
 
As this subject has cropped up as an 'anniversary date', I have moved and merged a few previous posts on the Coffee Shop forum, specific to the Inspiration Train, here.

As ever, nothing has been deleted, the original post headings have been retained wherever possible, and those posts are now listed here in chronological order as a definitive topic.

I hope this helps, with ease of future reference.

CfN. 

Re: NPPF revisions - more homes can be built near stations?
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [378618/32385/40]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:25, 23rd August 2026
 
There are Mayoral combined authorities & unitary authorities, and Mayoral ones will be a combination of latter ones eventually

Re: NPPF revisions - more homes can be built near stations?
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [378617/32385/40]
Posted by ellendune at 18:49, 23rd August 2026
 
Torbay had a mayor under the existing unitary system, but after a referendum the position was abolished and went back to a ceremonial mayor. No mention of a mayor under Torbay and South Devon unitary authority.

No this change refers to the mayors of combined authorities such as the West of England Combined Authority or Devon and Torbay Combined County Authority. 

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378616/32397/43]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 18:33, 23rd August 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
Seems to be lack of contingency plan at work here.

Staff on the ground have mobile phones, staff at control centre could have emergency contact method if their main building is not available

They have both those....what they can't access is their software running the crew & stock diagrams, for example.

Which, if the case, in this day and age is frankly ridiculous.

Re: RMT union plans rail strikes over train safety concerns at East Midlands Railway
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378615/32266/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:46, 23rd August 2026
 
The RMT always time their strike actions for when they will cause the most disruption. 


Re: RMT union plans rail strikes over train safety concerns at East Midlands Railway
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378614/32266/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:39, 23rd August 2026
 
LNER have engineering work on the 30th, shutting the East Coast into King's Cross. The alternative was via Bedford & EMR into St Pancras. Was......

And it's a bank holiday too

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378613/32397/43]
Posted by eightonedee at 17:38, 23rd August 2026
 
Revisited this in the light of the comments above by checking National Rail departures from Reading- which showed all XC services due to run through Reading cancelled.  Oh dear.....

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378612/32397/43]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:26, 23rd August 2026
 
From the BBC:

CrossCountry cancels 'almost all' UK services after power cut

Trains across the UK have been cancelled by rail operator CrossCountry after a power cut at its control centre.

The power outage started in Birmingham on Saturday and as a result, many of the systems used to manage the railway are unavailable, the operator said.

Cancellations are affecting most routes, from Glasgow to Penzance and Leeds to Manchester, until further notice because of "significant and unforeseen disruption", said CrossCountry, ranked Britain's worst rail operator, in June.

Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said she was "concerned to hear about a power outage" and had asked publicly owned operators to provide "extra services where possible".

"We've also sent Network Rail power teams who are onsite and working to restore power and systems as soon as possible," she added.

Passengers are venting their anger on social media, saying the situation is the "worst case scenario" at the weekend, with some taking coaches before continuing their train journey with another operator.

Major routes between Manchester and Birmingham, which passes through Stoke-on-Trent, Coventry and Wolverhampton, along with routes from Leeds to York, Cheltenham to Cardiff and Glasgow to Edinburgh, are all affected.

CrossCountry confirmed tickets for Sunday would remain valid until Wednesday.

One user on X asked the operator if the situation would be resolved on Monday.

It responded: "We would hope so, but at the moment we have no further updates.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378611/32397/43]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:17, 23rd August 2026
 
Seems to be lack of contingency plan at work here.

Staff on the ground have mobile phones, staff at control centre could have emergency contact method if their main building is not available

They have both those....what they can't access is their software running the crew & stock diagrams, for example.

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378610/32397/43]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:11, 23rd August 2026
 
Out of curiosity, I checked the "south-eastern" leg (Birmingham to Oxford, Reading and the South Coast) on their website which showed only an apology for reduced catering on most trains due to unavailability of staff. So perhaps "No trains on Cross-Country" is a bit of an exaggeration?

I believe a ChrisB style 'Hmmmm' is needed!  https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:OXF/2026-08-23/0000-2359?stp=WVSC&show=all&order=wtt&toc=XC

That page of the CrossCountry website, updated by Control Room staff of course, seems to be lying.  It has 13 cancellations company wide, all due to a shortage of train drivers.  I suspect those were all added before the power failure?

This page tells a rather different story:  https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/travel-information/disruption/latest-travel-information


Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378609/32397/43]
Posted by eightonedee at 16:55, 23rd August 2026
 
Out of curiosity, I checked the "south-eastern" leg (Birmingham to Oxford, Reading and the South Coast) on their website which showed only an apology for reduced catering on most trains due to unavailability of staff. So perhaps "No trains on Cross-Country" is a bit of an exaggeration?

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [378608/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 16:50, 23rd August 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Also learned - somewhat though not sharing more about fellow passengers arriving into Melksham / taxi sharing - travelling from Oxford (that flow again!) on personal / family business, and headed for a location in Melksham that's a significant walk from the station there.

Trying to understand you here - are you saying that Oxford City Centre is like Melksham centre, some way from he station? It's about a 10 minute walk.

No - I was simply saying what an important source / destination is for journeys to / from Melksham.  In terms of ticket sales, it's only 17th but that feels like it's because it's been two train changes and the homeword journey onto a thin service has to be correographed well ahead.

Re: NPPF revisions - more homes can be built near stations?
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [378607/32385/40]
Posted by eightonedee at 16:35, 23rd August 2026
Already liked by ChrisB
 
Quote
Mayors to get powers to overrule local councils on planning decisions

Mayors across England will be given new powers to overrule local councils on some planning decisions.

The change would apply to proposals with more than 150 homes, more than 15,000 square metres of commercial space or buildings over 30 metres.

Mayors in 13 areas including Manchester, Liverpool, the West of England and the West Midlands will gain similar powers to Sir Sadiq Khan in London, who is already able to "call in" planning decisions.

Housing minister Matthew Pennycook said the powers were an "essential part of the toolkit that mayors need to effectively deliver new homes and regeneration".

The Conservatives questioned whether it was right for councils to lose the "ability to make planning decisions in their own communities".

The powers will also be available to mayors in the Combined Authorities in North East England, South Yorkshire, West Yorkshire, York and North Yorkshire, Hull and East Yorkshire, Greater Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire and Peterborough, East Midlands, and Tees Valley.

Housebuilding has fallen in London in recent years, but Pennycook insisted the "call in" powers had helped the mayor "unblock strategic growth sites" in the capital.

In the 2024 general election, the Labour government promised to build 1.5 million homes in England by the end of the decade but housebuilders have warned the target could be missed.

Pennycook said the government was "absolutely determined to stick with that ambition".  He acknowledged the target was "really stretching" but said nearly 180,000 children were in temporary accommodation and "any smaller target wouldn't be commensurate with the scale of the challenge".

In addition to gaining the new "call-in" powers, mayors are set to be able to grant "up-front permission", which the government says will allow building to begin "without a developer having to apply".

A consultation on how the powers will work is due to be published next week.

The government has sought to stress that local councils will continue to decide the majority of applications and that all decisions must still follow planning rules.  It has also said mayors will get a "bigger say" over how housing funding is spent in their area, with the government directing national agency Homes England to focus on local mayors' priorities.

New Prime Minister Andy Burnham, who served as mayor for Greater Manchester for nearly a decade, has repeatedly expressed his desire to transfer more powers to local mayors.  "Challenge does need to be made to local decision-making and actually it cuts both ways," he told the Sunday Times.  "Sometimes it's the other way round. It's the local authority putting forward something that's unacceptable in terms of the impact on the community. It's a two-way street."

Last month, Burnham promised to give all mayors a share of income tax revenue, saying he wanted to "bring power home" to "every postcode".  Earlier this week, he announced a secondment programme to send high-performing civil servants to work in mayoral offices.

The approach has faced criticism from some in his own party and the Liberal Democrats, who fear it could create a "two-tier system" that discriminates against those areas that do not have an elected mayor.

Responding to the new powers for mayors, Sir James Cleverly, the shadow housing secretary, said the government was "simultaneously stripping councils across the country of their ability to make planning decisions in their own communities, while making it easier to build traveller sites against local wishes".

Sir James also suggested Labour mayors had failed to meet housing targets, adding: "The Conservatives are the only party with a plan to get Britain building and moving again with our plan to scrap stamp duty on the family home."

Gideon Amos, the Liberal Democrat housing and planning spokesperson, said "taking powers away from communities and local councillors is taking powers away from local people.  Instead of silencing residents and handing mayors a blank cheque, the government should be empowering local councils with the resources to deliver genuinely affordable homes alongside the infrastructure to support them," he added.

Mothin Ali, deputy leader of the Greens, said "more powers for mayors to direct local councils" was "more tinkering from the Labour government when local authorities continue to be forced by government into austerity budgets".

Reform UK accused Labour of "centralisation in disguise", saying: "Westminster is stretching its tentacles outward instead of giving real power, resources and decision-making capabilities to devolved authorities."

That'll generate a huge "Hurrah" at the Planning Bar. A whole new source of work. In addition to court challenges to council's planning decisions, and to appeal decisions from them by inspectors and ministers, there will now be court challenges to mayoral decisions to overturn council decisions (which are as likely to be made by disappointed applicants or councils whose decisions have been overturned). This is not going to deliver a single additional housing unit. It's simply going to make it even more expensive and uncertain to pursue planning applications on major sites.

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378606/32397/43]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 16:34, 23rd August 2026
 
Not to weigh in on the criticism... but to ask why "XC control" has become vital to the running of trains? Isn't the signalling and NR control function capable of meeting all the operational and safety requirements?

The XC Control Room duty manager would be needed to deal with incident management.  That could be something quite small such as dealing with a driver who has had a SPAD, to something more serious like stranded train scenarios, to something very serious such as an accident or derailment.  So I can understand why them being contactable and in contact with everyone is essential these days. 

Each TOC having back up facilities that can be fully operational within a couple of hours could also be regarded as essential.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [378605/31359/18]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:19, 23rd August 2026
 
Also learned - somewhat though not sharing more about fellow passengers arriving into Melksham / taxi sharing - travelling from Oxford (that flow again!) on personal / family business, and headed for a location in Melksham that's a significant walk from the station there.

Trying to understand you here - are you saying that Oxford City Centre is like Melksham centre, some way from he station? It's about a 10 minute walk.

Re: Derailment, Wickford,14th August 2026
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378604/32365/51]
Posted by Trowres at 15:47, 23rd August 2026
 
Still ongoing, no reopening date yet available.

Normal services still not expected before 26th August. (1st September for the Haywards Heath and Lewes service affected by a more severe derailment).

Coincidentally, I came across a report from 1966 referring to a derailment of a Glasgow-London sleeper train on the Kilmarnock Line. The train, 22:10 from Glasgow on 13th August, consisted of a class 40 diesel, 13 coaches and 2 vans.
In really foul weather, overflowing streams had covered the rails with rubble. The train was proceeding with caution, but the loco and carriages were derailed and ran for about 200 yards, with loco and several carriages ending up leaning against the cutting walls.

This was early hours of a Sunday morning. In the days before GSM-R radio, the crew had to protect the train and eventually find a phone to summon help. [In the prevailing weather this was a horrendous task].

At 03:00, the area manager arrived (on a loco commandeered from a circus train  ). Buses and a 2 car DMU arrived at 06:00-ish and 06:25 to provide transport for the passengers (unclear how many, but the passengers were taken to Dumfries "where hotels in the area had been asked to provide 300 breakfasts".

So that was the first 6 hours of 14th August. The report continued:

"The train was back on the rails early on August 15th, and the line was reopened to traffic the following day. Over 300 tons of stones and rubble were cleared from the line".

[Accompanying photos showed two large rail-mounted cranes lifting the class 40; also 6 of the coaches, of which 5 were leaning by various angles]

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378603/32397/43]
Posted by Trowres at 15:10, 23rd August 2026
 
If this had been GWR then I'm sure some of our regular posters would have quite rightly been all over it.  Strange that it's only generated a handful of replies.

OK I'll bite.

Not to weigh in on the criticism... but to ask why "XC control" has become vital to the running of trains? Isn't the signalling and NR control function capable of meeting all the operational and safety requirements?

Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2026
In "Across the West" [378602/31163/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:05, 23rd August 2026
 
From National Rail......

Route(s) affected
Great Western Railway between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway / Oxford / Swindon / Worcester Foregate Street / Bristol Parkway / Bristol Temple Meads / Weston-super-Mare / Great Malvern / Hereford / Cardiff Central / Plymouth / Swansea / Carmarthen / Penzance, and between Marlow and Maidenhead

Elizabeth line between Abbey Wood and Maidenhead / Reading

Description

A fault with the signalling system between Slough and Maidenhead means that some lines towards Reading are closed. As a result, trains running between these stations may be delayed.

Disruption expected until 15:00.

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378601/32397/43]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 13:43, 23rd August 2026
 
Good old CrossCountry - forever hopeless.

If this had been GWR then I'm sure some of our regular posters would have quite rightly been all over it.  Strange that it's only generated a handful of replies.

Re: NPPF revisions - more homes can be built near stations?
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [378600/32385/40]
Posted by REVUpminster at 13:21, 23rd August 2026
 
Torbay had a mayor under the existing unitary system, but after a referendum the position was abolished and went back to a ceremonial mayor. No mention of a mayor under Torbay and South Devon unitary authority.

Re: Ferries across waterways - whether by vehicle, foot or both (merged posts)
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [378599/3662/5]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 13:21, 23rd August 2026
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butts_Ferry

I suspect passenger numbers on this ferry have been higher after the wooden Mallison bridge, in the upper centre of the above article's image, was condemned (2018) and demolished (2020) as being structurally unsafe. Obviously much better than the 0.3 mile walking detour!

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378598/32397/43]
Posted by Mark A at 12:45, 23rd August 2026
 
Northbound from Cheltenham a bit grim.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:CNM/to/gb-nr:BHM/2026-08-23/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=pax-calls&order=wtt

Also Bristol to Exeter, were it not for the GWR Cardiff to Exeter service - but, that service has its last train at around 6:30pm - today flagged in the national rail site as both 'Fastest' and 'Slower journey'. With the Crosscountry services withdrawn, that site indicates a sole opportunity for Exeter later in the evening a bit before 9pm, with a change at Taunton.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:BRI/to/gb-nr:EXD/2026-08-23/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=pax-calls&order=wtt

Mark

Re: The unlikely vineyard inside a London railway station
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [378596/32401/31]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 11:26, 23rd August 2026
 
I first heard about this on the Green Signals podcast last Thursday (20/08/26). The BBC article seems only to have been posted today. 

Re: IET's question
In "Your rights and redress" [378595/32398/6]
Posted by grahame at 11:21, 23rd August 2026
 
apart from the normal timetable for IET's,are they passed on other routes,

like beyond Westbury to Portsmouth and Brighton.

Milford haven and Pembroke

Worcester heading North   

Relatively uninformed answer here, but they do use a handful of routes outside the normal timetable from time to time already. For example, Bradford Junction to Thingley junction, the Rhubarb Loop, and I think via an alternative route when Bridgend to Cardiff  normal route is not available. Also into Euston, and I think, and haven't I seen IETs from other operators getting to Eastleigh?

Westbury to Brighton presents various gauging issues to some trains - platform 3 at Salisbury, the tunnels at Southampton, and the Hamble / Swanwick bridge, and I suspect that the platforms at Brighton from the west would boo short.  I also know that some 3rd rail clearance issues have arisen.   They already go to Pembroke on summer Saturdays.  In passenger use, except for emergencies, the stations for stopping need to be programmed in too.

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378594/32397/43]
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 11:15, 23rd August 2026
Already liked by Mark A, broadgage
 
I find myself wondering how many other vital rail industry support services are there that do not have:

The service split over (at least) two geographically separate locations which have the ability to deal with all (or increased) comms traffic in the event of one site suffering a catastrophic failure
or
A single site which has duplicate power supply routes, UPS infrastructure, and back-up generators

I suspect quite a few. 

 
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