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Re: Project Churchward - future regional fleet for the West, new rolling stock to replace DMUs
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [381183/27482/40]
Posted by anthony215 at 21:36, 21st October 2026
 
Putting my money on the 158s which I believe are to go on the Cardiff to Portsmouth Harbour services

Re: Cross Country say that they will seriously consider stopping at Bridgwater
In "Cross Country services" [381182/32647/43]
Posted by grahame at 21:31, 21st October 2026
 
Love your use of the word "just".   Joe Public test - would your neighbour's mum be able easily do this?

Re: Cross Country say that they will seriously consider stopping at Bridgwater
In "Cross Country services" [381181/32647/43]
Posted by ChrisB at 21:01, 21st October 2026
 
Shiona was also asked about sky high long distance fares, people splitting tickets and then having to change seats along the way, and whether this was / is something she might address. 

I agree with your report =- however, this has sort of been dealt with. You can now choose your seat for reservation on the XC app (at least, maybe on their website too?), so you just locate am available seat for each ticket & then book & reserve.

Re: Electric Trains - Manchester to Sheffield, retired to the Netherlands
In "Railway History and related topics" [381179/32133/55]
Posted by Trowres at 19:53, 21st October 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
It's instructive to take a Streetview ramble around the station at Dinting. Are those 1954-era headspans from 1500 volt days?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/zsEeJEdnxxLUwUPg6

I think they would be called portals; not headspans, but yes, the structures are from the original electrification. Even the characteristic inverted-A that holds the registration arms for the catenary.

The lines from Liverpool Street to Shenfield were electrified around the same time as Woodhead and also at 1500V DC. Although the li.nes have been converted (twice! - to 6.25kV AC in 1960/61 and then 25kV in 1979/80) the original design of overhead is still evident. E.g this photo of Romford that appears on the Wikipedia page for that station:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Romford_railway_station_MMB_10_315802.jpg

Re: Paskage sale - travel + festival. Oops - just festival. Is that allowed
In "Fare's Fair" [381175/32653/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:04, 21st October 2026
 
I imagine your only recourse would be to get a full refund on the entire package if you couldn't attend without coach travel.

Paskage sale - travel + festival. Oops - just festival. Is that allowed
In "Fare's Fair" [381174/32653/4]
Posted by grahame at 18:54, 21st October 2026
 

From the BBC

An administrative error resulted in coach journeys to the Glastonbury Festival being oversold through its official ticketing partner.

More coach package tickets were sold for certain departures than there are seats available, according to an email See Tickets sent to customers.

Those affected will not lose their tickets however. Instead, their booking will automatically be converted into a general admission ticket and the coach fare will be refunded.

The ticketing agency declined to comment further, but the BBC understands Glastonbury Festival was not responsible for the error.

Glastonbury coach ticket prices range from £26 to £185 - on top of general admission - depending on the departure town or city and whether it is a single or return journey.

I have to ask the question - "so how are the people who paid for a package supposed to get to Glastonbury then?"   I can't imagine Tui selling a holiday to Majorca include flights and hotel, then telling people to make their own way from Leeds, Liverpool or Luton to the hotel.

Re: Storm Austen: modified services
In "Across the West" [381173/32650/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:48, 21st October 2026
 
From the BBC:

Amber warning issued as Storm Austen threatens UK with strong winds and heavy rain

The Met Office has issued an amber weather warning for strong winds as Storm Austen is forecast to sweep across parts of the UK.

The warning - the second-highest tier that the Met Office issues - is valid for Cornwall and parts of west Devon from 03:00 until 10:00 BST on Friday.  Wind gusts of up to 80mph (130km/h) are expected around exposed coasts, with 60-70mph gusts elsewhere.

Flying debris could lead to injuries or a danger to life, with the risk of power cuts and damage to buildings.

A broader yellow Met Office wind warning covers large swathes of southern England and south Wales with some travel disruption possible.

Southern and eastern Scotland is also covered by a Met Office yellow warning - this one for heavy rain which could bring the risk of flooding.

Storm Austen - an area of low pressure - is currently developing in the Atlantic and will continue to deepen as it approaches the UK.  It will move close to south-west England on Thursday night with the strongest winds expected to arrive early on Friday morning.

The very windiest conditions are expected on coastal headlands in north and west Cornwall - exposed to the north-westerly gales - but gusts of up to 70mph could occur even in inland areas.


Gusts of 60-70mph are expected across the amber warning area, with 80mph gusts possible in exposed areas.

According to the Met Office there is a high risk of 'significant' disruption with possible delays to road and rail transport.  Air and ferry services could also be affected.

Injuries and danger to life are likely from flying debris and large waves along the coast. Some power cuts are also possible.

The centre of Storm Austen is then forecast to move through the English Channel which could mean the Channel Islands - which are not covered by the Met Office warning system - are hit by damaging winds.  Gusts in excess of 80mph are possible.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Pelleponese Railway. (Out of use, but now, multiple threats)
In "The Wider Picture Overseas" [381172/32644/52]
Posted by Noggin at 18:40, 21st October 2026
 
Those lines shut up shop in 2011, a few years after the huge superyacht builders saw their market bloom. Not saying that correlation is causation of course.

Without getting overly political, Greece's post-WW2 politics and public administration have been far from a shining example to the world.

Greece was included in the initial Euro members for political reasons, western European banks lent it far more than was prudent, there was a lot of crazy spending and inflation, then when the music stopped in the light of the banking crisis of 2008, Brussels was very aggressive in it's treatment of Greece, in part because of fears that the big French and German banks would go bankrupt if the Greeks renaged on their debts (or at least that's the way Varoufakis, the Greek Finance Minister at the time tells it).

For its part, the Greek state reacted as it traditionally did in times of financial crisis - by sending the tax collectors out and landing anyone who looked like they might have a few Euros with a big bill. A friend's mum who rented a converted garden shed to friends occasionally in the summer was landed with a five figure demand, with the assumption that she must have been booked solid at €100/night. So the economy ground to a halt - building stopped and even weddings were cancelled. Even big companies like Danone got fed up - it transferred all but essential activities to Bulgaria!

Re: Electric Trains - Manchester to Sheffield, retired to the Netherlands
In "Railway History and related topics" [381171/32133/55]
Posted by Mark A at 18:33, 21st October 2026
 
It's instructive to take a Streetview ramble around the station at Dinting. Are those 1954-era headspans from 1500 volt days?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/zsEeJEdnxxLUwUPg6

Re: Electric Trains - Manchester to Sheffield, retired to the Netherlands
In "Railway History and related topics" [381170/32133/55]
Posted by Mark A at 18:31, 21st October 2026
 
That short well-used electrified section from Southport, part of the line to Preston. Very careless admin to close that just because BR were pulling the plug on the rest of the line. Crossens: I should think they *were*.

Re: The People's Emergency - film, free, 27.5.2026
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [381169/32079/34]
Posted by broadgage at 17:32, 21st October 2026
 
Not much chance of the above policies finding wide support !
Today HMG have announced an INCREASE in natural gas production from the north sea.
Climate emergency ? now very last year !

Re: PHP Vulns
In "News, Help and Assistance" [381168/32649/29]
Posted by grahame at 17:11, 21st October 2026
 
Severe PHP vulnerabilities reported today times 2 - such that patches need immediate implementation with sites taken down until repaired.

I note that this site has a PHP logo - does it need the patches?

I have just moved another thread on this into "News and Assistance" and merged them.  So now answers for you "upthread' - thanks for asking / bringing it to attention - best twice than not at all.    I am taking a look at other sites on both servers too.

MOVED: Coffee Shop vs PHP?
In "Pen and Quill (and keyboard)" [381167/32652/56]
Posted by grahame at 17:07, 21st October 2026

Re: Coffee Shop vs PHP?
In "News, Help and Assistance" [381166/32649/29]
Posted by grahame at 17:05, 21st October 2026
 
Not sure if it's wise to muck about while this security thread/threat develops, but I have grabbed an extra copy of the Coffee Shop databases to my laptop in - oops giving the game away - Pravia.  And I have told the worker server that if it gets any requests from other that the receptionist, it's to turn them away - so the receptionist is to act far more as a firewall than [he/she] has done until now.   This may break a few older pages, but now makes sense.

The taking up of the backups does NOT  make us immune in itself to anything, but it does mean that as and when I have a decently fast Internet connection, I could restore things.   As we don't collect personal data, payments, etc, there is very little to be leaked or stolen anywhere on our servers - the risk of a problem on the worker is low, and the effect would be low - an outage until I could rebuild which while away might be a few days, and a risk that data in places like "frequent posters" and potentially registered email addresses could be leaked, but none of it would leak in an easy-to-use form.

PHP Vulns
In "News, Help and Assistance" [381165/32649/29]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:04, 21st October 2026
 
Severe PHP vulnerabilities reported today times 2 - such that patches need immediate implementation with sites taken down until repaired.

I note that this site has a PHP logo - does it need the patches?

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Westbury" [381164/31359/18]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:03, 21st October 2026
 
12:17 Westbury to Swindon due 13:01
13:14 Swindon to Westbury due 13:57

13:14 Swindon to Westbury due 13:57 will be starting late from Swindon.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.

A very - err - predictable delay as the crew comes off a main line service and they are up the swanny this morning

A 45-second delay according to RTT. 

Looks like a 'standby' TM ended up working it, instead of the one booked to arrive from Paddington on 1C77.

Storm Austen: modified services
In "Across the West" [381163/32650/26]
Posted by Mark A at 16:34, 21st October 2026
 
GWR are adjusting their timetable to mitigate the impacts of Friday's forecasted weather event.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2026
In "London to the Cotswolds" [381162/31371/14]
Posted by charles_uk at 16:24, 21st October 2026
 
and a regular pairing makes a reappearance:

17:04 Didcot Parkway to Evesham due 18:23 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

18:51 Evesham to Oxford due 19:50 will be cancelled.
This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time.

Re: Coffee Shop vs PHP?
In "News, Help and Assistance" [381161/32649/29]
Posted by grahame at 16:17, 21st October 2026
Already liked by Red Squirrel, Mark A, Oxonhutch, Western Pathfinder
 
Just wondered whether this affects the forum?

At this moment of writing, I am not panicked, but our web space provider for the worker machine reports ...

Our control panel and website are temporarily offline

The PHP security team has announced an upcoming security release that fixes two critical vulnerabilities. The fixes are due on 21 October 2026 at 14:00 UTC.

Out of an abundance of caution, we have taken our control panel and marketing websites offline for 24 hours while we prepare and apply the updates.

Your hosted services are not affected by this shutdown. Only these websites are offline. We'll bring them back as soon as the fixes are in place.

You can read the PHP project's announcement here: php.net: Upcoming Critical PHP Security Release.

... and I am watching

Coffee Shop vs PHP?
In "News, Help and Assistance" [381160/32649/29]
Posted by GBM at 15:55, 21st October 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Just wondered whether this affects the forum?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmly0lg3w5x2o
The Finnish government, Edinburgh council and the BBC are among those to have taken down sites and pages ahead of a software update to a programming language which underpins many online services.

Two critical vulnerabilities have been found with the PHP programming language, which is widely used across the internet. A fix was issued on Wednesday afternoon.

The flaws were discovered by AI, with cyber-security firm Wiz saying they were the "most severe vulnerabilities ever discovered" by the tech, which is reshaping the cyber landscape.

Multiple national cyber-security agencies have urged organisations to rapidly adopt the updates, or consider taking their websites offline.

Finland has temporarily shut down the government's public web services, while the Netherlands' cyber-security agency said it was taking its own website offline due to the vulnerabilities.

Meanwhile, Edinburgh council's website has become inaccessible, as well as the online homes for several BBC programmes including Doctor Who and The Traitors.

.........continues.............

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [381159/18719/26]
Posted by Fourbee at 15:48, 21st October 2026
 
Quite a few crew shortage cancellations listed - rather odd midweek?
Could be a symptom of the fortnight half-term some schools are having now?

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [381158/18719/26]
Posted by GBM at 15:33, 21st October 2026
 
Quite a few crew shortage cancellations listed - rather odd midweek?

13:54 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 15:25
14:32 London Paddington to Cheltenham Spa due 16:31
14:38 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 15:46
15:05 Reading to Basingstoke due 15:32
15:29 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 17:03
15:52 Basingstoke to Reading due 16:17
16:10 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington due 17:22
16:32 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 19:29
17:03 Cheltenham Spa to London Paddington due 19:01
18:20 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 19:55
18:50 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 19:54
19:12 London Paddington to Bristol Parkway due 20:40
19:59 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 21:37
22:10 Reading to Newbury due 22:39
22:47 Newbury to Reading due 23:13
00:19 Reading to London Paddington due 01:13
00:48 London Paddington to Reading due 01:44
01:45 London Paddington to Reading due 02:34
Thu, 22 October 02:24 Reading to London Paddington due 03:11
Thu, 22 October 03:35 London Paddington to Reading due 04:24
Thu, 22 October 04:35 Reading to London Paddington due 05:34
1A77 0835 Plymouth to London Paddington had a mishap around mid morning, just before Castle Cary.
All West Country trains massively delayed by diversions.
1A82 0910 Penzance to Reading went via Exeter Central and Yeovil, delayed by 52 minutes and terminated at Reading.
Qudos to GWR (?) for providing a train crew with route and traction knowledge going via Yeovil.

Re: Bristol Temple Meads - station, facilities, incidents and events (merged posts)
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [381157/10737/21]
Posted by bobm at 15:00, 21st October 2026
 
I raised this at the GWR forum this morning - Thomas Lydon said he would follow this up. I also mentioned the fact that the station map still hasn’t been updated…

The question of opening hours for the new entrance not matching train and bus arrivals and departures was also highlighted.  A response has been promised after investigation.



Re: Bristol Temple Meads - station, facilities, incidents and events (merged posts)
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [381156/10737/21]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:29, 21st October 2026
 
I had to look up ATP - "Automatic Train Protection" turns out to be "Accessible Travel Policy". 

(gulp! )  I have now amended the definition for ATP on our 'abbreviations & acronyms' page.

CfN. 

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [381155/18719/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 14:24, 21st October 2026
 
Quite a few crew shortage cancellations listed - rather odd midweek?

13:54 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 15:25
14:32 London Paddington to Cheltenham Spa due 16:31
14:38 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 15:46
15:05 Reading to Basingstoke due 15:32
15:29 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 17:03
15:52 Basingstoke to Reading due 16:17
16:10 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington due 17:22
16:32 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 19:29
17:03 Cheltenham Spa to London Paddington due 19:01
18:20 Reading to Gatwick Airport due 19:55
18:50 London Paddington to Didcot Parkway due 19:54
19:12 London Paddington to Bristol Parkway due 20:40
19:59 Gatwick Airport to Reading due 21:37
22:10 Reading to Newbury due 22:39
22:47 Newbury to Reading due 23:13
00:19 Reading to London Paddington due 01:13
00:48 London Paddington to Reading due 01:44
01:45 London Paddington to Reading due 02:34
Thu, 22 October 02:24 Reading to London Paddington due 03:11
Thu, 22 October 03:35 London Paddington to Reading due 04:24
Thu, 22 October 04:35 Reading to London Paddington due 05:34

Re: Bristol Temple Meads - station, facilities, incidents and events (merged posts)
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [381154/10737/21]
Posted by Mark A at 14:14, 21st October 2026
 
And yet if you have a GWR payg smartcard, at least their policy allows you to enter and exit the station without charge so presumably would allow you to use it as a shortcut (though I have not actually tried this in practice).

Given they essentially have to have a member of staff on the gates anyway, surely it would make sense to give that person a ticket a machine to allow the same of a small number of tickets (in a the similar way to the excess fares desk on Platform 3). Or of course they could have bothered to do what TfW did in Cardiff and have a ticket office at the second entrance too (though tbh I have no idea how often the Cardiff south side one is actually open).

I have a GWR smartcard, but also a senior railcard, and don't know if the one can take account of the other. I've read GWR's pages on it and still have only a wooly idea of what the GWR smartcard does or offers. I'm probably starting from the wrong perspective as I was sort of imagining it as similar to an Oyster card, allowing travel as long as the user has credited their Oyster account - which leads me to also also think in an emphasising way about the well travelled guy who expected his Oyster card to work the barriers at Cardiff Central station.

 
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