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Great Western Coffee Shop
29.6.2025 (Sunday) 16:57 - All running AOK
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Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362769/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:54, 29th June 2025
 
21:35 Swindon to Westbury due 22:52

An additional bus service has been planned to operate as shown 21:35 Swindon to Westbury due 22:52.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
In "London to the Cotswolds" [362768/29711/14]
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 15:26, 29th June 2025
 
Sunday June 29

1P41 09:58 Great Malvern to London Paddington (12:22) cancelled throughout.

12:50 London Paddington to Hereford due 16:04 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:29/06/2025 06:00
My fault - I wanted to travel home from London on this one.
Stock running ECS to Shrub Hill.

13:50 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 16:16 will be terminated at Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:29/06/2025 06:00
... and I'd prefer Foregate St.

16:58 Great Malvern to London Paddington due 19:26 will be started from Worcester Shrub Hill.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.
Last Updated:29/06/2025 09:45

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362767/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 13:10, 29th June 2025
 
17:44 Swindon to Salisbury due 18:55
17:44 Swindon to Salisbury due 18:55 will be terminated at Westbury.

It will no longer call at Warminster and Salisbury.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362766/18719/26]
Posted by grahame at 13:00, 29th June 2025
 
Scenario - you are looking to take over an organisation / setup and give it a new lease of life, and you want that new lease of life to be popular with your customers, especially when it comes to them reviewing what you've done in a couple of years.   Now - how can you make the *most* improvements?   The lower you can start, the biggest mess you have to clear up, the more improvements there are available for you to make and look good in the eyes of customers.

Should the existing workforce - the people who already run the organisation - be directly or indirectly in your pay, or wish to be employed or continue to have an active position in the future, they'll need to be very wary indeed about being critical of this rundown, won't they?   They'll even tell you there's no problem at the moment ...




The above are some highly generalised thoughts, but I just wonder how much they might be applied to some of the things we see going on in the rail sector at the moment - looking at who and how the remaining TOCs work, on what various contrators within the sysme do, and how associated organisions like the ORR, Transport Focus, the Community Rail Network and Partnerships - all majority funded by the organisation that is taking over the reins - might fit within those thoughts. Just a wonder - may there be a seed of truth in suggesting a linkage to the current appalling mess and a product which, certainly here in Melksham isn't fit for purpose at present?

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362765/18719/26]
Posted by a-driver at 12:44, 29th June 2025
 
I suspect the DfT hasn't agreed as it has no additional budget to pay for it....so blame HM Treasury.

I suspect you are correct!! 

It’s never going to be resolved for free.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362764/18719/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 12:38, 29th June 2025
 
I suspect the DfT hasn't agreed as it has no additional budget to pay for it....so blame HM Treasury.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362763/18719/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:20, 29th June 2025
 
: a-driver
Do you think so? 

If the DfT have indeed rejected the Sunday proposal then the whole agreement is dead in the water, it’ll go no further.

I do, yes.

Dead in the water would be a stalemate between the unions and the operator.  If true, the fact it’s already gone beyond that is very encouraging, with perhaps only a bit of tinkering required.

[Modified to correct quotes]

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362762/18719/26]
Posted by a-driver at 11:00, 29th June 2025
 
In other news, an agreement for solving the Sunday situation has been reached between the Unions and GWR, unfortunately the DfT have reportedly rejected the proposal. 

I guess that’s more positive than I was expecting at this stage if two of the three interested parties have hatched up and agreed on a plan.

Do you think so? 

If the DfT have indeed rejected the Sunday proposal then the whole agreement is dead in the water, it’ll go no further.

Re: 9.08 Bristol to Weymouth 29/06 Fresh Air Express
In "Heart of Wessex" [362761/30417/19]
Posted by bobm at 10:18, 29th June 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
Instead of carrying a train full of people looking forward to a day on the beach, it will be carrying a train full of fresh air! Sad.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C27682/2025-06-29/detailed

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:91846/2025-06-29/detailed




Similar to the 08:42 from London Paddington to Carmarthen.    Running empty to Swansea to pick up the return working, starting at Swansea, later today.

Re: 9.08 Bristol to Weymouth 29/06 Fresh Air Express
In "Heart of Wessex" [362760/30417/19]
Posted by Mark A at 10:12, 29th June 2025
Already liked by Clan Line, Timmer
 
Until (relatively) recently: a loco + 7 carriages to meet a reliable demand from the travelling public.

Now: a multiple unit with the possibility that the provision is 2 carriages on that service - and a strong possibility that it is cancelled at short notice. Travelling public making other plans. Many miles of expensive rural inter-regional railway doing not very much at all.

Mark


Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362759/18719/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 10:07, 29th June 2025
 
In other news, an agreement for solving the Sunday situation has been reached between the Unions and GWR, unfortunately the DfT have reportedly rejected the proposal. 

I guess that’s more positive than I was expecting at this stage if two of the three interested parties have hatched up and agreed on a plan.

Yes a bit more encouraging.....of course it was going to be so much easier with Labour in charge......

Cancellations between Westbury and Portsmouth 29/06
In "Portsmouth to Cardiff" [362758/30418/20]
Posted by Timmer at 09:47, 29th June 2025
 
Cancellations to services between Westbury and Portsmouth Harbour

Due to a shortage of train crew between Westbury and Portsmouth Harbour fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice
Apologies to customers, we don't have enough drivers and guards on shift today to run all our scheduled services.

Where trains are cancelled customers may use Cross Country and SWR to complete their journeys.

We're sorry for the delay to your journey.
We will update this message with more information when we have it.

CrossCountry are conveying passengers between Reading and Southampton Central via Basingstoke in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

South Western Railway are conveying passengers between Salisbury and Portsmouth Harbour via Southampton Central in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

South Western Railway are conveying passengers between Reading and Salisbury via Basingstoke in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

South Western Railway are conveying passengers between Guildford and Portsmouth Harbour via Fratton and Portsmouth & Southsea in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys. Customers may take GWR services between Reading and Guildford to connect in with SWR services.

9.08 Bristol to Weymouth 29/06 Fresh Air Express
In "Heart of Wessex" [362757/30417/19]
Posted by Timmer at 09:42, 29th June 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Instead of carrying a train full of people looking forward to a day on the beach, it will be carrying a train full of fresh air! Sad.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C27682/2025-06-29/detailed

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:91846/2025-06-29/detailed



Re: Melk to Melksham - 1000 miles (mostly) by train
In "TransWilts line" [362756/30416/18]
Posted by bobm at 09:11, 29th June 2025
Already liked by rogerw
 
Admittedly it’s only a small saving but if you had got your senior railcard added to your Oyster card, you would have saved a third on your trip from St Pancras to Paddington.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362755/18719/26]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 08:59, 29th June 2025
 
In other news, an agreement for solving the Sunday situation has been reached between the Unions and GWR, unfortunately the DfT have reportedly rejected the proposal. 

I guess that’s more positive than I was expecting at this stage if two of the three interested parties have hatched up and agreed on a plan.

Re: 30 cancellations on the North Downs this morning
In "North Downs Line" [362754/30321/16]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:56, 29th June 2025
 
Cancellations to services between Reading and Gatwick Airport

Due to a shortage of train crew between Reading and Gatwick Airport fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice
Apologies to customers, we don't have enough drivers and guards on shift today to run all our scheduled services on the North Downs Line between Reading and Gatwick Airport via Guildford.

Re: Pilning station - services and campaigns (merged posts)
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [362753/21830/21]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 08:47, 29th June 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
Ask the mayor? Apparently, he can open stations, so must be able to fund a station bridge?

As far as I am aware, Helen Godwin goes be she/her… Bristol Rail Campaign is reiterating the need for Pilning Station in a statement to her at the next meeting of the MCA.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362752/18719/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:39, 29th June 2025
 
.....a quick look at JourneyCheck suggests that the GWR BBQs are being fired up across the region today!

(......or could it be attending Glastonbury, or getting in the queue early at Wimbledon causing today's mass cancellations?)

It looks rather as if there are a number of extra trains scheduled from Castle Cary this afternoon - perhaps the powers that be have decided to sacrifice the services they provide for their normal (loyal, regular) customer base for services for the people who come once a year?   With pre-planning and a need to provide a public service I can sorta-understand that.  To only announce wholesale decimation of certain other services on the actual morning strikes me a very bad planning and / or a showing of disregard to the people who want to use the service not only today but tomorrow, next week, and next month.

Are these extra trains or just stop orders applied to existing services?

In other news, an agreement for solving the Sunday situation has been reached between the Unions and GWR, unfortunately the DfT have reportedly rejected the proposal. 

............well there were some extras but......

17:35 Castle Cary to Reading due 18:46
17:35 Castle Cary to Reading due 18:46 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

19:42 Castle Cary to Reading due 20:54
19:42 Castle Cary to Reading due 20:54 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362751/18719/26]
Posted by a-driver at 07:38, 29th June 2025
 
.....a quick look at JourneyCheck suggests that the GWR BBQs are being fired up across the region today!

(......or could it be attending Glastonbury, or getting in the queue early at Wimbledon causing today's mass cancellations?)

It looks rather as if there are a number of extra trains scheduled from Castle Cary this afternoon - perhaps the powers that be have decided to sacrifice the services they provide for their normal (loyal, regular) customer base for services for the people who come once a year?   With pre-planning and a need to provide a public service I can sorta-understand that.  To only announce wholesale decimation of certain other services on the actual morning strikes me a very bad planning and / or a showing of disregard to the people who want to use the service not only today but tomorrow, next week, and next month.

Are these extra trains or just stop orders applied to existing services?

In other news, an agreement for solving the Sunday situation has been reached between the Unions and GWR, unfortunately the DfT have reportedly rejected the proposal. 

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362750/18719/26]
Posted by grahame at 07:32, 29th June 2025
 
.....a quick look at JourneyCheck suggests that the GWR BBQs are being fired up across the region today!

(......or could it be attending Glastonbury, or getting in the queue early at Wimbledon causing today's mass cancellations?)

It looks rather as if there are a number of extra trains scheduled from Castle Cary this afternoon - perhaps the powers that be have decided to sacrifice the services they provide for their normal (loyal, regular) customer base for services for the people who come once a year?   With pre-planning and a need to provide a public service I can sorta-understand that.  To only announce wholesale decimation of certain other services on the actual morning strikes me a very bad planning and / or a showing of disregard to the people who want to use the service not only today but tomorrow, next week, and next month.

Re: Shortage of train crews on Great Western Railway - ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [362749/18719/26]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:50, 29th June 2025
 
.....a quick look at JourneyCheck suggests that the GWR BBQs are being fired up across the region today!

(......or could it be attending Glastonbury, or getting in the queue early at Wimbledon causing today's mass cancellations?)

Melk to Melksham - 1000 miles (mostly) by train
In "TransWilts line" [362748/30416/18]
Posted by grahame at 06:36, 29th June 2025
Already liked by Timmer
 
Melk to Melksham in a day and a half - by train mostly, with a single bus, walks of no more then 5 minutes from my starting point (hotel) and end point (home). The only pre-booked part with a reserved seat was the Eurostar train through the Channel Tunnel.  The only part where the train failed to be practical was the last leg to Melksham due to cancellations only declared (lack of staff) after I was actually on my way.

Hotel to Melk station - 8 minute walk
Melk - St Poelten, 07:11 to 07:27, local train on time.
St Poelten - Frankfurt Main, 07:46 to 13:36, German ICE, actual 08:05 to 14:05
Frankfurt - Brussels Midi, 14:27 to 17:35, German ICW actual 14:27 to 18:13
Brussels Midi - Doornik/Tournai, 18:14 to 19:16, regional train, actual 18:40 to 19:40
Tournai - Lille Flanders, 20:24 to 20:52, local ("international") train, on time
Walk to Hotel - less than 5 minutes. Overnight stop
Walk to Lille Europe station - 7 minutes.
Lille Europe - St Pancras International - 13:35 (CET) to 13:57 (BST), actual 13:35 to 14:00
St Pancras International - Paddington (Hammersmith Lines), actual 14:07 to 14:20
Walk to Paddington ("lawn") main concourse - 5 minutes
Paddington - Swindon, 14:32 to 15:28, GWR Cheltenham Express, actual 14:32 to 15:32
Swindon - Bath Spa, 15:24 to 15:47, GWR Weston-s-M Express, actual 15:36 to 15:59
Walk to Bath Bus Station - 5 minutes
Bath Bus Station - Melksham Market Place, 16:15 to 17:03, Faresaver route 271, actual 16:18 to 17:11
Walk home - 5 minutes - arrived by 17:20.

Not quite planned trains / routes all the way. From Brussels to Lille my connection was supposed to be via Kortrijk/Courtrai (love the places with 2 different names!) but that missed and I re-routed, and then the ongoing connection off that at Doornik/Tournai also failed and I ended up on the train a further hour later. So 61 minutes later than planned into Lille.  From London to Melksham, plan was to arrive into Melksham at 18:00 after a wait at Swindon for the infrequent onward service - however (overnight) GWR had cancelled the 17:35 and 19:44 from Swindon and though I was doing the whole thing "On principle" by train, waiting for the next train at 22:12 would have been perverse - I really didn't want to sit around for nearly 7 hours.  I should say that GWR had added a scheduled extra bus that would have got me (if running to new schedule) to Melksham Station at 18:33, home at 18:55.

Tickets / fares

* Interrail Pass, Melk to Lille. Using local trains Brussels to Lille to avoid the need for a reservation / supplement (with the hassle of potential late running and ending up arriving in Brussels after my inward train had left, or with a long wait there

* Eurostar Snap - £45 Lille to London. I would have preferred an earlier train in the day, but this is a late allocation seat-filler fare and you accept what you're given

* Oyster Card - £2.80 St Pancras to Paddington

* Super off peak single with senior railcard - £27.60 Paddington to Melksham, with ticket accepted (spoke with member of GWR staff ahead of time) to Bath Spa because of train cancellations

* Senior Bus Pass - Bath to Melksham - free to me at the point / time of use.

Conclusion - it can be done and I enjoy(ed) it - perhaps with the exception of when things were going very wrong around Brussels waiting for an unknown delayed arrival, then after a mad dash through the subway to an unknown delayed departure sitting in a stuck hot and crowded commuter train.  But it requires a certain acceptance of changes, knowledge and sorting out the challenge to actually get there.

We slate the British Railway system for failing to deliver the promised trains on time - but whilst the most significant disruption on the journey was in the UK, there WERE also significant delays in both Germany and Belgium, and the final bus ride - though just a few minutes late - was a reminder that traffic (and passenger volume) delays are not unique to the rails.

The Interrail pass does wonders. It's unfortunate that there is added complexity with reservations that pushed me onto local trains into France and the UK, and that as a UK resident I'm only allowed 2 days here - discriminatory in my view.  I COULD have used a 4 day pass for my Melksham to Melk journey (2 days) and then 2 days back, but other travel plans mean that I only have 1 UK day left and I am preserving that.

This is a journey log - not telling of the wonderful places seen and experiences along the way.

Would I do it again - yes / happy to do similar journeys, though not until next month. 

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362747/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 06:32, 29th June 2025
 
That looks like 5 out of the 7 round trips cancelled ... wasn't someone telling us just in the last 24 hours that there IS no crew shortage - just that not enough crew know the routes needed.   

I gave up on the train yesterday - the intent was Melk (in Austria) to Melksham.  Got as far as Bath Spa ...

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362746/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:14, 29th June 2025
 
08:06 Warminster to Swindon due 08:58
08:06 Warminster to Swindon due 08:58 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

09:08 Swindon to Westbury due 09:49
09:08 Swindon to Westbury due 09:49 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

10:38 Weymouth to Swindon due 12:57
10:38 Weymouth to Swindon due 12:57 will be terminated at Westbury.
It will no longer call at Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham and Swindon.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

10:41 Westbury to Swindon due 11:24
10:41 Westbury to Swindon due 11:24 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

11:32 Swindon to Weymouth due 13:45
11:32 Swindon to Weymouth due 13:45 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham and Trowbridge.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

13:32 Swindon to Weymouth due 15:45
13:32 Swindon to Weymouth due 15:45 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham and Trowbridge.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

14:05 Frome to Swindon due 14:58
14:05 Frome to Swindon due 14:58 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

15:44 Swindon to Frome due 16:38
15:44 Swindon to Frome due 16:38 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham and Trowbridge.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

20:38 Westbury to Swindon due 21:23
20:38 Westbury to Swindon due 21:23 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

21:34 Swindon to Westbury due 22:16
21:34 Swindon to Westbury due 22:16 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Re: Where was I yesterday, 27 June 2025?
In "The Lighter Side" [362745/30412/30]
Posted by TonyN at 23:57, 28th June 2025
Already liked by johnneyw, rogerw
 
Here is the National library of Scotland link to the 1904 25" OS Map

https://maps.nls.uk/view/120901525

Re: Where was I yesterday, 27 June 2025?
In "The Lighter Side" [362744/30412/30]
Posted by johnneyw at 22:59, 28th June 2025
 
Blimey, my flabber is truly gasted.  I thought that no one would get that but once again  I'm reminded never to underestimate the collective knowledge of this forum.  I stumbled on it on a walk between Pershore and Evesham.
I thought that, despite it clearly leading to the farm entrance, it might have been linked with the adjacent gravel pits (now part of an expanding holiday chalet park).  The O.S map at 2.5 inches to the mile does rather make it look like it was linked to the Pershore to Evesham line.

Body found in river after search for swimmer: Bradford-on-Avon, 27 June 2025
In "The West - but NOT trains in the West" [362743/30415/31]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:35, 28th June 2025
Already liked by rogerw
 
A very sad event.

From the BBC:



The body of a 26-year-old man has been recovered from a river following an extensive search effort.

Wiltshire Police said it responded to concerns for a man who had been swimming in the River Avon in Bradford-on-Avon, Wiltshire, at 17:43 BST on Friday.

Emergency crews from Trowbridge, Chippenham, Bath and Temple Back, along with water rescue units from Trowbridge, Stratton and Bath, attended the scene and later recovered a body.

While formal identification has not yet taken place, police said the man's family had been informed.


Of note is that a fire and rescue crew from Temple Back (which is in central Bristol) was also dispatched to Bradford-on-Avon. Clearly the emergency services were doing all they could possibly do to rescue the swimmer.

Our thoughts are with his family and friends.

CfN. 

Re: RMT to ballot GWR Gateline staff over lone staffing plans - June 2025
In "Across the West" [362741/30351/26]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:58, 28th June 2025
 
The press release is on the RMT website.
https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/rmt-to-ballot-gwr-gateline-staff-over-dangerous-lone-staffing/

Anyone car to spill *which* seven stations are referred to?

I presume that the suggestion is to flexstaff away from barriers into the stations as a whole? Or are they suggesting a loss of these staff?

Re: GWR PAYG Accounts Deleted - Compensation being paid
In "Fare's Fair" [362740/30405/4]
Posted by RailCornwall at 19:10, 28th June 2025
 
.... and to confirm charged correctly with the linked D&C Railcard discount taken off.

 
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