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Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378637/32397/43]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:39, 24th August 2026
 
What no one has considered is what they would have done in the case of an emergency - dealing with fatalities/derailment for example without a control would simply fall apart.

Re: River Bann: Is it a bus? Is it a boat? The former Citybus taking to the water
In "The Lighter Side" [378636/32396/30]
Posted by Mark A at 10:46, 24th August 2026
 
Unintentional humour in the banner on this page:

https://www.bigducktours.com/en/windsor/help

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378635/32397/43]
Posted by grahame at 09:46, 24th August 2026
 
It is ridiculous, did nobody have a paper copy or even a PDF of the crew & stock diagrams?
Even if the missing diagrams were the root of the problem, surely it would have been possible to produce a simplified set of diagrams. They might not have been able to cover every destination or maintain the full timetable, but they could at least have operated a reduced service, maybe use a tool such as  Excel!
Instead, it appears they decided the task was too difficult and simply cancelled everything.

I find myself agreeing that apparently having to adequate hot-linked backup looks very poor.  But once the failure with no apparent standby / alternative system available, perhaps the best way to get things back to running was for the (limited number available?) specialists to set a checkpoint and work it for a restart from there?   Just asking - I have no data that backs up the suggestion, but I am aware that looking for immediate fixes takes a lot of resource and can elongate the disruption.

Re: River Bann: Is it a bus? Is it a boat? The former Citybus taking to the water
In "The Lighter Side" [378634/32396/30]
Posted by GBM at 09:42, 24th August 2026
 
https://www.bigducktours.com/en/windsor/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22529776036&gbraid=0AAAAA_co4OHo1DB-_cl8cxVcCwjv7aPCy&gclid=Cj0KCQjw16_UBhCqARIsAIdOaXxsidBI4N5JxTaczHsXhdZa0C2uDJLEnJyzz_GRRs1aEntvyuBfRTgaAiU2EALw_wcB

We went on this a few years ago.
Lovely trip.
A minibus that floats!

UK population exceeds 60 million - BBC report, 24th August 2006
In "Campaigns for new and improved services" [378633/32402/28]
Posted by grahame at 09:37, 24th August 2026
 
The BBC reported on 24th August 2006 that the UK population had exceeded 60 million - see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5281360.stm .  The report was from the Office Of National Statistics for the year ended 30th June 2005.

I have looked back - in 30 year increments

33,200,000   1876 (includes Ireland)
43,400,000   1906 (includes Ireland)
47,100,000   1936
54,600,000   1966 Railway modernisation as per the Beeching report
58,200,000   1996 Privatisation
70,000,000   2026 (guestimated as of 30th June)

At Sheffield Park on Saturday, I picked up an old timetable for British Rail's Western Region dated 1965, showing services on lines lost over following years.  Some were - dire - in their frequency, not fast, and looking at the "diagrams" there were a lot of trains busy doing nothing for hours on end.   I find myself wondering with a 28% increase in population since then, and modern environmental concerns at the inefficiency of modern cars for transporting people (not only fuel use, but congestion and the need for road and parking capacity) how different things might have been had the population been so much greater in those days.

Re: RMT union plans rail strikes over train safety concerns at East Midlands Railway
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378632/32266/51]
Posted by GBM at 09:35, 24th August 2026
 
The RMT always time their strike actions for when they will cause the most disruption. 


Need to make a point.  Maximum effect to draw attention.
Unfortunately that's what a strike will do (as we all know).
Little point in taking a strike when a line is closed for engineering works.

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378631/32397/43]
Posted by ray951 at 08:26, 24th August 2026
 
Seems to be lack of contingency plan at work here.

Staff on the ground have mobile phones, staff at control centre could have emergency contact method if their main building is not available

They have both those....what they can't access is their software running the crew & stock diagrams, for example.

Which, if the case, in this day and age is frankly ridiculous.

It is ridiculous, did nobody have a paper copy or even a PDF of the crew & stock diagrams?
Even if the missing diagrams were the root of the problem, surely it would have been possible to produce a simplified set of diagrams. They might not have been able to cover every destination or maintain the full timetable, but they could at least have operated a reduced service, maybe use a tool such as  Excel!
Instead, it appears they decided the task was too difficult and simply cancelled everything.

Perhaps they should take some advice from their sister company, Chiltern Railways. Chiltern managed to find both crews and rolling stock to operate an almost hourly service between Oxford and Birmingham Moor Street via Banbury, to fill the gap left by XC.

Re: Animals on the line on the Circle/District line
In "Transport for London" [378630/32378/46]
Posted by grahame at 06:02, 24th August 2026
Already liked by GBM
 
District Line is suffering this evening with a track fault and animals on the Line at St James Park.

https://tfl.gov.uk/tube-dlr-overground/status/#district

Minor delays:
Entire line
Part suspended:
Turnham Green  Richmond

District Line: No service between Turnham Green and Richmond while we fix a track fault at Richmond. MINOR DELAYS on the rest of the line while we deal with an animal on the track at St. James's Park. Tickets are being accepted on London Buses.

Does anyone have a clue as to what animals they are, given this is a central London station which is under the former London Transport HQ?

Guessing - an (urban) fox or someone's dog?


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [378629/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 05:57, 24th August 2026
 
06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47

06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street due 09:47 will be started from Westbury.
It will no longer call at Salisbury and Warminster.
This is due to a fault on this train.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [378628/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 05:15, 24th August 2026
 
Google Maps suggests that it's a 17 minute walk from Melksham Station to Market Square, which I would regard as the 'town centre' of Melksham (as that's where the Town Hall is).  I would say that's optimistic, assuming a fit person with no luggage.  In my personal experience, lugging a suitcase, I'd say it is more like a 20 minute walk.
The 17 minute walk is 0.7 miles (according to Google). Wouldn't you assume close to 4mph for a fit person with no luggage, which would make it under 11 minutes?

Anyway, the 'Spoons is only 0.5 miles

20 minutes, Town Hall to Station, is what I personally budget and that gets me to the station a couple of minutes before the train. I know I need to push it if I pass over the Town Bridge with only 10 minutes to go and sods law states that if you're short of time the train will be on time.

Re: IET's question
In "Your rights and redress" [378627/32398/6]
Posted by infoman at 04:46, 24th August 2026
Already liked by grahame
 
Thank you Grahame for your reply.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [378626/31359/18]
Posted by JohnM at 22:23, 23rd August 2026
 
Google Maps suggests that it's a 17 minute walk from Melksham Station to Market Square, which I would regard as the 'town centre' of Melksham (as that's where the Town Hall is).  I would say that's optimistic, assuming a fit person with no luggage.  In my personal experience, lugging a suitcase, I'd say it is more like a 20 minute walk.
The 17 minute walk is 0.7 miles (according to Google). Wouldn't you assume close to 4mph for a fit person with no luggage, which would make it under 11 minutes?

Anyway, the 'Spoons is only 0.5 miles

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378625/32397/43]
Posted by grahame at 21:40, 23rd August 2026
 
Good old CrossCountry - forever hopeless.

If this had been GWR then I'm sure some of our regular posters would have quite rightly been all over it.  Strange that it's only generated a handful of replies.

Cross Country are unique in that they provide only a proportion of services at most of the major stations they serve - though they are clearly unique to certain flows.  Even at Cheltenham Spa, only the 3rd (to Birmingham) and 10th (to Wolverhampton) flows are unique to them.    Not a single one of the top flows at Temple Meads is unique to them, though I grant you that Cheltenham Spa and Taunton passengers (4th and 5th) won't be happy about very much longer journey times today.    Add that this is a one-off today, it's a Sunday, and our board is very much regional and perhaps no great surprise as those factors come together.

Monday 24 August 2026 - CrossCountry services back to normal
In "Cross Country services" [378624/32397/43]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:32, 23rd August 2026
 
An update, from the BBC:

CrossCountry to provide full service on Monday

Train operator CrossCountry will run a full train service on Monday following major disruption to services across the country.

The operator said it plans to run a "very limited number of trains" from around 18:00 BST on Sunday evening, and a full service on Monday.

It comes after a power outage affected its control centre in Birmingham, resulting in mass cancellations across the network on Sunday.

A CrossCountry spokesperson said: "Our key priority is now to restore as close to a normal service as possible for our customers tomorrow."  They added: "With most facilities now reinstated, we are planning to operate a very limited number of services from around 18:00 this evening, primarily on routes towards Leicester and Derby.

"Planning is underway to support a full train service on Monday and we are working closely with National Grid and industry partners as recovery efforts continue.  We would like to thank our customers for their patience and understanding during today's disruption."

Customers have been strongly advised by the operator to check their journey before travelling.

Customers delayed by 30 minutes or more may be entitled to compensation, the operator said, adding: "While those who choose not to travel can claim a refund from their original point of purchase."

(BBC article continues)


Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378623/32397/43]
Posted by Trowres at 21:24, 23rd August 2026
 
Maybe a benefit of GBR would be the elimination of separate TOC/NR control offices?

They would still be vulnerable to power cuts, though, without a major integration and update of backup systems.  That will take time.  And money. 


But, even without upgrades, you have reduced the points-vulnerable-to-causing-total-failure (no train service) from 2 to 1. That ought to reduce the risk!

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378622/32397/43]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:04, 23rd August 2026
 
Maybe a benefit of GBR would be the elimination of separate TOC/NR control offices?

They would still be vulnerable to power cuts, though, without a major integration and update of backup systems.  That will take time.  And money. 


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [378621/31359/18]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:57, 23rd August 2026
 
Trying to understand you here - are you saying that Oxford City Centre is like Melksham centre, some way from he station? It's about a 10 minute walk.

I'm not sure whether we're discussing Melksham or Oxford timings here. 

I have no experience of Oxford, but I do have some, by now considerable, experience of Melksham.  Google Maps suggests that it's a 17 minute walk from Melksham Station to Market Square, which I would regard as the 'town centre' of Melksham (as that's where the Town Hall is).  I would say that's optimistic, assuming a fit person with no luggage.  In my personal experience, lugging a suitcase, I'd say it is more like a 20 minute walk.

CfN. 

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378620/32397/43]
Posted by Trowres at 20:43, 23rd August 2026
 
Not to weigh in on the criticism... but to ask why "XC control" has become vital to the running of trains? Isn't the signalling and NR control function capable of meeting all the operational and safety requirements?

The XC Control Room duty manager would be needed to deal with incident management.  That could be something quite small such as dealing with a driver who has had a SPAD, to something more serious like stranded train scenarios, to something very serious such as an accident or derailment.  So I can understand why them being contactable and in contact with everyone is essential these days. 

Each TOC having back up facilities that can be fully operational within a couple of hours could also be regarded as essential.

Thanks for that insight, II. As the power failure was Saturday, and XC trains continued to run until close-of-play, I am going to guess that some other factors are more critical in XC's case. This evening, there have been a couple of trains between Birmingham and Derby/Leicester.  (but nothing else I've noticed so far).

Maybe a benefit of GBR would be the elimination of separate TOC/NR control offices?

Re: Inspiration Train - travelling exhibition marking 200 years of railways
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378619/30289/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:28, 23rd August 2026
 
As this subject has cropped up as an 'anniversary date', I have moved and merged a few previous posts on the Coffee Shop forum, specific to the Inspiration Train, here.

As ever, nothing has been deleted, the original post headings have been retained wherever possible, and those posts are now listed here in chronological order as a definitive topic.

I hope this helps, with ease of future reference.

CfN. 

Re: NPPF revisions - more homes can be built near stations?
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [378618/32385/40]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:25, 23rd August 2026
 
There are Mayoral combined authorities & unitary authorities, and Mayoral ones will be a combination of latter ones eventually

Re: NPPF revisions - more homes can be built near stations?
In "Looking forward - the next 2, 5, 10 and 20 years" [378617/32385/40]
Posted by ellendune at 18:49, 23rd August 2026
 
Torbay had a mayor under the existing unitary system, but after a referendum the position was abolished and went back to a ceremonial mayor. No mention of a mayor under Torbay and South Devon unitary authority.

No this change refers to the mayors of combined authorities such as the West of England Combined Authority or Devon and Torbay Combined County Authority. 

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378616/32397/43]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 18:33, 23rd August 2026
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea, Andy E, GBM
 
Seems to be lack of contingency plan at work here.

Staff on the ground have mobile phones, staff at control centre could have emergency contact method if their main building is not available

They have both those....what they can't access is their software running the crew & stock diagrams, for example.

Which, if the case, in this day and age is frankly ridiculous.

Re: RMT union plans rail strikes over train safety concerns at East Midlands Railway
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378615/32266/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:46, 23rd August 2026
 
The RMT always time their strike actions for when they will cause the most disruption. 


Re: RMT union plans rail strikes over train safety concerns at East Midlands Railway
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [378614/32266/51]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:39, 23rd August 2026
 
LNER have engineering work on the 30th, shutting the East Coast into King's Cross. The alternative was via Bedford & EMR into St Pancras. Was......

And it's a bank holiday too

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378613/32397/43]
Posted by eightonedee at 17:38, 23rd August 2026
 
Revisited this in the light of the comments above by checking National Rail departures from Reading- which showed all XC services due to run through Reading cancelled.  Oh dear.....

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378612/32397/43]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:26, 23rd August 2026
 
From the BBC:

CrossCountry cancels 'almost all' UK services after power cut

Trains across the UK have been cancelled by rail operator CrossCountry after a power cut at its control centre.

The power outage started in Birmingham on Saturday and as a result, many of the systems used to manage the railway are unavailable, the operator said.

Cancellations are affecting most routes, from Glasgow to Penzance and Leeds to Manchester, until further notice because of "significant and unforeseen disruption", said CrossCountry, ranked Britain's worst rail operator, in June.

Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said she was "concerned to hear about a power outage" and had asked publicly owned operators to provide "extra services where possible".

"We've also sent Network Rail power teams who are onsite and working to restore power and systems as soon as possible," she added.

Passengers are venting their anger on social media, saying the situation is the "worst case scenario" at the weekend, with some taking coaches before continuing their train journey with another operator.

Major routes between Manchester and Birmingham, which passes through Stoke-on-Trent, Coventry and Wolverhampton, along with routes from Leeds to York, Cheltenham to Cardiff and Glasgow to Edinburgh, are all affected.

CrossCountry confirmed tickets for Sunday would remain valid until Wednesday.

One user on X asked the operator if the situation would be resolved on Monday.

It responded: "We would hope so, but at the moment we have no further updates.

(BBC article continues)


Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378611/32397/43]
Posted by ChrisB at 17:17, 23rd August 2026
 
Seems to be lack of contingency plan at work here.

Staff on the ground have mobile phones, staff at control centre could have emergency contact method if their main building is not available

They have both those....what they can't access is their software running the crew & stock diagrams, for example.

Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378610/32397/43]
Posted by IndustryInsider at 17:11, 23rd August 2026
 
Out of curiosity, I checked the "south-eastern" leg (Birmingham to Oxford, Reading and the South Coast) on their website which showed only an apology for reduced catering on most trains due to unavailability of staff. So perhaps "No trains on Cross-Country" is a bit of an exaggeration?

I believe a ChrisB style 'Hmmmm' is needed!  https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:OXF/2026-08-23/0000-2359?stp=WVSC&show=all&order=wtt&toc=XC

That page of the CrossCountry website, updated by Control Room staff of course, seems to be lying.  It has 13 cancellations company wide, all due to a shortage of train drivers.  I suspect those were all added before the power failure?

This page tells a rather different story:  https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/travel-information/disruption/latest-travel-information


Re: Sunday 23/08/26 - No Crosscountry services
In "Cross Country services" [378609/32397/43]
Posted by eightonedee at 16:55, 23rd August 2026
 
Out of curiosity, I checked the "south-eastern" leg (Birmingham to Oxford, Reading and the South Coast) on their website which showed only an apology for reduced catering on most trains due to unavailability of staff. So perhaps "No trains on Cross-Country" is a bit of an exaggeration?

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2026
In "TransWilts line - Swindon, Chippenham, Melksham, Trowbridge, Westbury, Salisbury" [378608/31359/18]
Posted by grahame at 16:50, 23rd August 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
Also learned - somewhat though not sharing more about fellow passengers arriving into Melksham / taxi sharing - travelling from Oxford (that flow again!) on personal / family business, and headed for a location in Melksham that's a significant walk from the station there.

Trying to understand you here - are you saying that Oxford City Centre is like Melksham centre, some way from he station? It's about a 10 minute walk.

No - I was simply saying what an important source / destination is for journeys to / from Melksham.  In terms of ticket sales, it's only 17th but that feels like it's because it's been two train changes and the homeword journey onto a thin service has to be correographed well ahead.

 
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