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Re: Off peak ticket, travel involves a connection, peak time services
In "Fare's Fair" [377670/32304/4]
Posted by grahame at 16:02, 1st August 2026
 
Onto Eurostar, you need to purchase a ticket to London Terminals CV, I think only from ticket offices or on-train if no ticket office available.

https://www.railfuture.org.uk/CIV-tickets
A CIV ticket is a ticket sold under the CIV conditions (Convention Internationale pour le transport des Voyageurs) for cross border rail travel. In the case of London, this means that, in the outward direction, if the UK train arrives into London late, Eurostar must honour the ticket and place the passenger on the next available Eurostar train. In the homeward direction, should the Eurostar arrive into London late and the connection onto the booked onward UK train is missed, the UK operator must accept the ticket on their next service. CIV tickets also include the underground connection to St Pancras where needed. They are normally slightly more expensive than the advance fare to / from London at the time of booking, but significantly cheaper than an open ticket.

On price - I have seen them substantially lower cost than the equivalent any time tickets, and indeed best value if your Eurostar times are such that you need to travel to or from London in the peak.

Re: Person struck by train 1st August 2026 Devon
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377669/32302/24]
Posted by bobm at 15:56, 1st August 2026
 
As a consequence no doubt.

Won't be a pleasant experience......

10:02 London Paddington to Penzance due 15:09
Facilities on the 10:02 London Paddington to Penzance due 15:09.
Service full and standing.
Neither will this
12:03 London Paddington to Penzance due 17:08
12:03 London Paddington to Penzance due 17:08 will be starting late from London Paddington.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.

Looks like it was formed by 800306, a nine car, in the end.

[otd] 8th August (1898) - opening of the Waterloo and City line
In "Transport for London" [377667/32307/46]
Posted by grahame at 15:33, 1st August 2026
 
Affectionetley known as "The Drain", the Waterloo and City line was opened 8.8.1898 by the London and South Western Railway to link their Waterloo terminus to the city at Bank.



We've mentioned the line in the past, but don't seem to have a dedicated thread.  Would anyone like to add a brief history of the line?

Re: Cannington Viaduct visit weekend
In "Railway History and related topics" [377666/32301/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:21, 1st August 2026
Already liked by grahame
 
I have now added this topic to the Coffee Shop forum's calendar. 

Re: Cannington Viaduct visit weekend
In "Railway History and related topics" [377665/32301/55]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 15:14, 1st August 2026
 
Network AwayDay was the ticket name....

I seem to recall one of the TV comedy shows of the time suggesting a spicier railway product named a 'HaveItAwayDay' ticket.

Looking and learning - but where?
In "The Lighter Side" [377664/32306/30]
Posted by grahame at 15:11, 1st August 2026
 
Fascinating day looking and learning - but where am I?    This reminded me of the signal box in the old train shed at Temple Meads ... and also had me wondering if it was something to do with Tenby



As a bit of a clue - it's NOT Bristol Temple Meads, nor is in Tenby in spite of what the sign says, nor is it Preston

Re: Cannington Viaduct visit weekend
In "Railway History and related topics" [377663/32301/55]
Posted by ChrisB at 15:10, 1st August 2026
 
From Facebook

Uplyme Village Noticeboard  ·
For The Love of a Railway
  · 24 July at 15:25  ·
A unique heritage weekend is coming your way!
For the first time in more than 60 years, the public will have the chance to experience Cannington Viaduct, the last surviving major structure of the magical Axminster to Lyme Regis Railway, which served our communities from 1903 until its closure in 1965.
Revisit the Viaduct will take place on Saturday 19 and Sunday 20 September, bringing together local history and the glorious countryside on the Devon / Dorset border in a very special celebration.
The weekend will include:
• Guided, stewarded walks from Uplyme to the viaduct.
• The opportunity to stand on the viaduct deck for the first time since the railway closed.
• For those who prefer not to make the walk, a heritage hub at Uplyme Village Hall with displays, refreshments and the premiere of a new short film telling the story of the viaduct and the branch line.
Admission will be FREE, but because numbers on the viaduct must be carefully managed, advance booking will be essential.

Our online box office opens on 1 August, when full details and tickets will become available.
This exciting community project has been made possible by a team that includes For the Love of a Railway, National Highways Historical Railways Estate, Axminster Town Council, Uplyme Parish Council, Devon County Council and South Western Railway. Its success very much depends upon volunteers and on access kindly given by Shapwick Grange Farm.

Please save the dates – and help us spread the word by sharing this post with friends, family and anyone who remembers, loves or simply wants to discover the wonderful Axminster to Lyme Regis Railway.
More info: https://fortheloveofarailway.co.uk/viaduct

Re: Network Rail press release: passengers and luggage
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377662/32295/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 14:58, 1st August 2026
 
It was Black Dog Halt, rather than Black Hound: see also https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=21932.msg338471#msg338471 


Re: Cannington Viaduct visit weekend
In "Railway History and related topics" [377661/32301/55]
Posted by ChrisB at 14:57, 1st August 2026
 
Network AwayDay was the ticket name....

Re: Off peak ticket, travel involves a connection, peak time services
In "Fare's Fair" [377660/32304/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 14:44, 1st August 2026
 
It applies from Eurostar, mind.

Onto Eurostar, you need to purchase a ticket to London Terminals CV, I think only from ticket offices or on-train if no ticket office available.

Also, I *think* it does apply if your bus or tube is cancelled, certainly n London.

Re: 14 coach IET
In "Across the West" [377659/32299/26]
Posted by GBM at 14:38, 1st August 2026
 
I was caught out a few days ago by RTT showing a 5 car 175 on the Newquay branch!

Re: Person struck by train 1st August 2026 Devon
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377658/32302/24]
Posted by GBM at 14:28, 1st August 2026
 
11:35 London Paddington to Newquay due 16:45
Facilities on the 11:35 London Paddington to Newquay due 16:45.
This is due to the emergency services dealing with an incident earlier today.
Catering is not available.

Re: Person struck by train 1st August 2026 Devon
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377657/32302/24]
Posted by GBM at 14:26, 1st August 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
As a consequence no doubt.

Won't be a pleasant experience......

10:02 London Paddington to Penzance due 15:09
Facilities on the 10:02 London Paddington to Penzance due 15:09.
Service full and standing.
Neither will this
12:03 London Paddington to Penzance due 17:08
12:03 London Paddington to Penzance due 17:08 will be starting late from London Paddington.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.

Re: Buses in Bristol will no longer stop in Broadmead shopping area - 30 Aug 2026
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [377656/32284/21]
Posted by WelshBluebird at 14:19, 1st August 2026
Already liked by Mark A
 
At the risk of sounding facetious or cynical, may I suggest that the buses are being cleared out of the way, to allow for Helen and Andy's mass transit system ie trams to be  installed ?

I'd wager that the complete? removal or buses from Union Street and Horsefair is mainly to ease the redevelopment of Broadmead and The Galleries - particularly the old Debenhams building.

As for trams, extrapolating from the WECA strategy document, they are thinking of a three line tram system - Airport to TM, TM to Cribbs/Brabazon/Parkway and TM to Keynsham/Bath via A4. Mind you, I can't really see how they can do any of that other than with a lot of mixed road running, but that's another matter. 

On that basis, TM to Stokes Croft is Victoria Street, Wine Street, Union Street, Haymarket and I would also lay money on the Bear Pit being filled in with HM Gov cash as Sheffield did when they built their system. So an almost completely pedestrianised Broadmead. 

There are two elements to the changes.

The Horsefair is being pedestrianised. That means anything that currently uses it (most of the buses headed east basically) needs to move to using Fairfax Street instead.

Separately Union Street is being made into a bus only two way street with much better access to and from the Haymarket. These works again require services thst currently use it to be moved until the works are done.

As it happens yes the longer term plan for Union Street is for it to form part of a "rapid transit" cross city route. But from what I've read that just sounds like more Metrobus style services rather than trams sadly.

And in terms of The Galleries work I must expect that the work when it eventually happens will impact Fairfax Street so I suspect some of the routes will need to temporarily move to that reopened two way Union Street.

Re: Buses in Bristol will no longer stop in Broadmead shopping area - 30 Aug 2026
In "Bristol and Bath (WECA, now WEMCA)" [377655/32284/21]
Posted by WelshBluebird at 14:14, 1st August 2026
 
Map with changes in routes and stops at https://travelwest.info/bus/broadmead-bus-changes/

This is pretty radical stuff - I really get the point that busses need to move more quickly around the city centre, but having the inbound and outbound routes diverge so far seems really user-unfriendly - particularly for tourists and occasional bus users. This is particularly the case with the number 1 and 2.

A lot of these routes have been doing that for years though, with the inbound services going via Bond Street and the outbound services snaking through Broadmead. E.g. the 45.

If people who use the other routes are able to handle it then so can people who use the 1 and 2. Especially as the longer term plans are to bring back at the the number 2 to Union Street when the works are done.

Re: Person struck by train 1st August 2026 Devon
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377654/32302/24]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 13:21, 1st August 2026
 
As a consequence no doubt.

Won't be a pleasant experience......

10:02 London Paddington to Penzance due 15:09
Facilities on the 10:02 London Paddington to Penzance due 15:09.
Service full and standing.

OTD - On This Day, 1 August (1925) - Wantage Tramway closed to passengers
In "Railway History and related topics" [377653/32305/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:06, 1st August 2026
 
From Wikipedia:

The Wantage Tramway Company was a two-mile tramway that carried passengers and freight between the Oxfordshire town of Wantage and Wantage Road Station on the Great Western Main Line in England.

Formed in 1873 to link Wantage Road station with its terminus at Mill Street, Wantage the line was built parallel to what was then the Besselsleigh Turnpike, and now the A338.

The tramway closed to passengers in 1925 and to goods traffic in 1945.

Re: Network Rail press release: passengers and luggage
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377652/32295/51]
Posted by grahame at 12:48, 1st August 2026
 
**snip**
... but then grahame woke up. 


Ah, to the reverie I'd just added a through platform at Chippenham and started Graham's bucolic train at Calne.

Mark

Makes sense. With calls at Black Hound and Stanley Bridge.

Re: Off peak ticket, travel involves a connection, peak time services
In "Fare's Fair" [377651/32304/4]
Posted by Mark A at 12:47, 1st August 2026
 
Thanks, both. That's all sensible.

Mark

Re: Network Rail press release: passengers and luggage
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377650/32295/51]
Posted by Mark A at 12:45, 1st August 2026
 
**snip**
... but then grahame woke up. 


Ah, to the reverie I'd just added a through platform at Chippenham and started Graham's bucolic train at Calne.

Mark

Re: Off peak ticket, travel involves a connection, peak time services
In "Fare's Fair" [377649/32304/4]
Posted by grahame at 12:40, 1st August 2026
 
I am reading the question a little differnt to ChrisB - hence my answer is a little different.   

If you are travelling on an off peak ticket and a National Rail service goes wrong such that your connection, or one of a series of connections, drops you into the peak then you are allowed to travel on the first available peak train rather than having to wait for the peak to be over.  Whether or not that's written into the conditions of travel or is somewhere else or is an unwritten rule, I know not.

If the error is yours such that the miss the last off peak train, or the connecting service that fails is not a national network one, I dont think the dispensation applies - so if you are delayed from Chesham or Brussels or Ryde, tough?

Re: Off peak ticket, travel involves a connection, peak time services
In "Fare's Fair" [377648/32304/4]
Posted by ChrisB at 12:26, 1st August 2026
 
Hmm. There are different answers for different scenarios.

If your train is late, you have to wait for it unfortunately.

If it is cancelled, you can travel on the service afterwards, and indeed, if you are aware early enough, the train before.

If you are on multiple connections, If any train is late, you have to still travel on it & catch the next available service(s) of later connections. If you suffer a cancellation, the above applies to that journey & later connections can be made as you arrive for them.

Off peak ticket, travel involves a connection, peak time services
In "Fare's Fair" [377647/32304/4]
Posted by Mark A at 12:18, 1st August 2026
 
In the scenario that someone's travelling on an off-peak ticket and their intended train is cancelled/runs late resulting in the next train available is a peak time departure, do terms and conditions allow them to travel on the peak time service?

This might also involve a cross-London journey, where their inbound train is late/cancelled and they find themselves at a London terminal after the evening peak is under way.

Mark

Re: Network Rail press release: passengers and luggage
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377646/32295/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:28, 1st August 2026
Already liked by rogerw, Mark A, GBM, TaplowGreen
 
I can just imagine ... a little bay platform at Chippenham, people connecting into it from the London express, and calling at Lacock, Melksham, Staverton, Trowbridge, White Horse and Westbury ... overtaken there by the international express from South Wales to the Solent, and carrying on Frome, Witham, Bruton, Castle Cary - further connections - Queen's Camel, Yeovil Pen Mill, connection with another similar train headed for Exeter, then Thornford, Yetminster, Chetnole, Eversholt, Cattistock, Maiden Newton, Grimstone, Dorchester, Upwey and Weymouth.

... but then grahame woke up. 


Re: Person struck by train 1st August 2026 Devon
In "Shorter journeys in Devon - Central, North and South" [377645/32302/24]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:16, 1st August 2026
Already liked by GBM, grahame
 
With thanks to TaplowGreen and GBM for posting, I've merged both topics here, for clarity.

CfN. 

Re: Flooding incident near Taff’s Well 30/07/2026
In "Railway History and related topics" [377644/32300/55]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 11:13, 1st August 2026
 
This event as it was looks to have been very much on a scale that posed a risk to life - I'm surprised it's not higher profile in the news. Given slightly different geography, this would have resulted in collapsed buildings full of mine debris, something that has terrible resonances in the South Wales valleys.

Indeed: see https://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=31667.0


Re: Walking - and the right to roam.
In "Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them" [377643/32293/50]
Posted by Marlburian at 10:16, 1st August 2026
 
Some landowners do allow public access to their private land and paths, often closing the latter for one day a year to prevent claims that  continuous access might lead to legal claims that they become fully public.

From the Savernake Estate website: "Though it is private property, the Forest's owners permit extensive public access. However, visitors are asked to note that there are NO vehicular rights of way, nor any public footpaths, anywhere in the Forest. To maintain its private status (especially to prevent the creation of vehicular rights of way) Savernake Forest's roads have to be shut on one day a year - usually the first working day of each year - in a joint operation by the Savernake Estate and their tenants the Forestry Commission. On that one day every road into the Forest is physically barriered and all cars are turned away ... Pedestrians may walk where they like, though they are asked to respect the few signs protecting the various groups of private houses scattered through the Forest."

(OK, this relates to vehicular access, but the same principal is applied elsewhere to pedestrian use.)

Re: Network Rail press release: passengers and luggage
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377642/32295/51]
Posted by grahame at 10:16, 1st August 2026
 
[snip]  Many of the old stations though are decrepit / falling apart, and so I can't give you a totally rosy story.   The train manager checks and sells tickets and it would be a challenge, I suspect, to travel without paying here!

And no sooner had I posted that than ...

Revenue Protection in action.  The train manager(ess) had requested a young couple to alight with her at Zwickau and they stood dutifully behind her as the train pulled in.  But as the doors opened they dashed off along the train. The train manageress indicated their movement to three revenue protection colleagues waiting on the platform, and they scuttled along the the next door.  When I got off, the manageress and her colleagues were in discussion on the platform with the young people, and after the train had left I saw them waling across the main station concourse with the thee revenue folks around them rather like one sees a cluster of nay ships around a convoy in films.  I have no idea what rule(s) these young people had broken, nor whether or not they were known regular transgressors, but it did provide a reminder that even a country with open stations - free from barriers - has teeth to catch up with those whom they suspect are not following the rules.

Re: Network Rail press release: passengers and luggage
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [377641/32295/51]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 09:52, 1st August 2026
 
The DfT having happily specc'd a train interior intended for the morning commuter run inbound from Reading - conveniently overlooking that the trains would also serve everywhere from Penzance to Pembroke, the result is a situation of frequent low level (and not so low level) conflict.

Indeed - and I am struck in so much of my continental travel as to just what a variety of things people have with them and how space is provided for the most part for ... so much. Luggage, push chairs and buggies, bicycles, mobility aids, and even the single carriage local trains we travelled on yesterday - 2 bicycles, two pushchairs - one with a baby and one an enormous double unit, one mobility device, luggage in the form of big hard-shelled cased and packs - and we all made room for each other and there was space for us to adjust and be pleasant about it as we pootled along the main line between major stations, stopping at intermediate villages as and when someone had pressed the "request stop" button or was wanting to join.     The trains were modern, had fully accessible loos and level boarding, and were pleasantly busy.   Running for the most part every hour, on single track lines they had the odd pause while we waited for another - or a freight - coming the other way.  Many of the old stations though are decrepit / falling apart, and so I can't give you a totally rosy story.   The train manager checks and sells tickets and it would be a challenge, I suspect, to travel without paying here!

I can just imagine ... a little bay platform at Chippenham, people connecting into it from the London express, and calling at Lacock, Melksham, Staverton, Trowbridge, White Horse and Westbury ... overtaken there by the international express from South Wales to the Solent, and carrying on Frome, Witham, Bruton, Castle Cary - further connections - Queen's Camel, Yeovil Pen Mill, connection with another similar train headed for Exeter, then Thornford, Yetminster, Chetnole, Eversholt, Cattistock, Maiden Newton, Grimstone, Dorchester, Upwey and Weymouth.

Timely example this morning!

 
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